The inhumane monsters who condemned Terri Schiavo to be executed by prolonged torture succeed today. Terri lasted almost two full weeks without food or water as her adulterous husband and his mentally-deranged attorney, gloated for the press. In the last hours, as a final blow to Terri's parents, the human debris known as Michael Schiavo refused them access in her final hours.
Yes I'm mad and I may call them more names. America is now officially a rotting corpse. We have embraced Nazi tactics in removing “unwanted” people. Our courts are a mockery, our legislators are lazy, and play silly games with legislation, making them meaningless. Our executive branch hides behind wimpy excuses and allows the innocent to die.
Terrorists sawed Nick Berg's head off -- we tortured Terri Schiavo to death. I fail to see a moral distinction between the two acts.
...and no, the fight is far from over. As long as Michael Schiavo and George Greer are outside of prison walls, the fight continues. As long as the morons of the Florida and Federal bench that failed to do their job remain on the bench, the fight continues. As long as medical “professionals” conspire to murder the disabled, the fight continues. As long as the elected officials who sat on their hands rather than execute the duties of their office remain in office, the fight continues. As long as lunatics like George Felos are allowed to fight to kill the disabled, the fight continues. I'll be here...will you?
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Terri Schiavo died today. Excuse me, she was murdered by the courts and her husband.
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you've proven to be all that is wrong with america. you've chosen here to agree that circumventing the courts, disobeying the rule of law and trumping the powers of one branch of government should be the rule. the terri schiavo case presented all that is wrong with activist judges and special laws. in america we don't make laws which defend only one person, we don't overrule one branch's ruling simply because we don't like it. rather, we stay focusd on the principles which founded this nation and we abide by the rules set forth by our founding fathers. terri schiavo was not denied any rights nor circumvented of her due process. rather, terri schiavo was the victim of a terrible misfortune which claimed her life many years ago.
may she rest in peace.
Posted by: steve at March 31, 2005 11:35 AM
Question: If M.Schiavo had been allowed to have Terri cremated and interred in Pennsylvania, would he have still been subject to the Florida statute that requires a medical examiners consent or exam for a body which is to be cremated? Could he have said he was going to have her interred in PA, then have her cremated in PA and avoided this law?
I am so glad the M.E. stepped in and clearly stated he intended to perform an autopsy. It was not at the behest of M. Schiavo, as the M.E. said in his statement. Two days before M. Schiavo announced his "decision" to have an autopsy, the M.E. TOLD M. that he was going to DO an autopsy due to the contraversies regarding the source of her condition. Curious, eh? I have a prediction: M. will have criminal charges filed against him on the evidence found in the autopsy. The brain damage, according to Dr. Baden, is different for someone who had a sudden lack of oxygen versus trauma. He has put forth several theories and assured viewers of Fox News that the autopsy should also show previous fractures caused by abuse. If there is no such evidence, then at least the rumors will be put to bed. But if there is, you may get your wish!
Posted by: Maria Taheny at March 31, 2005 11:59 AM
Another victory for the Culture of Death. Another sacrifice laid at the alter of nonsense. God is a swear-word. Expedience is almighty. Lots of talk, no action - shame on the Executive, shame on all of us. Terri's crime? She was inconvenient.
Posted by: Clayton Jones at March 31, 2005 12:20 PM
I, for one, am totally surprised this ever became a partisan issue in the blogosphere. In the "real world", people all around me from all sides of the political spectrum were enraged over this (but alas, I reside in one of those "red states") in favor of Terri's right to live.
I sincerely do hope this subject remains a hot one since it can horribly effect each and every one of us, God forbid, someday. We've learned the importance of a living will and we've learned who REALLY runs this country - the JUDGES... and the thought of that sickens me.
I'm just glad it's finally over. The armchair doctors on the far right can finally find something else to opine about from a distance. You saw a couple video clips, thought she must be cognitive in there somewhere, and that settled it for you, huh? Yes, I think the voters in 2006 will remember this, but not for the reason that you think. You overstepped based on your own medical fantasy, and you turned a painless death into a circus. It is *you* that should be ashamed.
There's only one American Legal document I care about right now, that's the Declaration of Independence:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"
you are 100% accurate in your observations. They accurately represent the objective reality of this disgusting siutation. To the poster who stated (I paraphrase) "Terri's wishes are being fulfilled," all I can say is that her supposed "husband" left her several years ago. He even fathered 2 kids with another woman. He did not care for her! He simply didnt want to feel guilty over his criminal treatment of her, and got the Hemlock Society supporters to help him do his dirty work.
What a farce. Imagine, she is dead because of "hearsay" testimony. You cant even convict a criminal on that kind of testimony! Its now quite easy to finish off a defenseless handicap person, especially when you have judges refusing to allow opposing pro-life testimony (especially since the testimony in this case contradicted Michael's fables about "Terri's wishes").
If anyone wants to know where all the supposed "patriots" of the euthanasia death culture want to go, do web searches, or get books on Hitler's occult government agencies. The first to be deemed "impure" and "imperfect" were the mentally handicapped. It was decided to "end-there-lives" so that they could be in a "better place," because, afterall, their souls were "trapped" in a "lifeless" body. Sound familiar?
Basically the nazi-mentality was illegal until Hitler made it legal. Now that the illegal euthanasia-mentality has a precident, I suppose it is binding on us all? It is more like inhuman barbaric laws are now ramed down our throats, and legally, binding on us all. Even living wills can be manipulated by these miscreants. I also have seen & heard "fiscal conservatives" saying it was better for Terri to not live and be handed over to her parents because Terri would then be a "drain on the system." Absolutely pathetic.
p.s. I sent Rush and many "conservative" leaders my resignation from the republican party. I had even supported Reagan since I was a kid, played his part in a school debate, but a majority of today's Republicans are cowards. 5 of the 9 who voted against Terri were "pro-life". Huh?...actions pseak louder than words I guess... Although their are many I support, and the Bush Bros may know how to fight foreign terrorists effectively, they are inept, opportunistic, political hacks when I comes to fighting against immoral, domestic terrorists trying to control how we are born, raised, and die. The Bushes are completely spineless. But I am not really surprised. THE APPLES DONT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE. Old daddy Bush was pro-choice until Reagan was interested in choosing him as a VP. Then he quickly changed...go figure mate...
As far as "polls" go, they were hardly done honestly. When people are accurately given the case's history, they overwhleming side with Terri's parents. No jury wouldve sentenced Terri to death. None..whether your christian, jew, nonjudeochristian, black, white, red, yellow, gay, straight, cancerous, or HIV+, noone wouldve wanted to do this sickening treatment to Terri. The polls are simply being spun by pseudo-conseervatives to protect Bush, and the liberals also want to use them to insure the Bushes, or any other political candidate, never, ever, get enough backbone to stop their nazi, commie, tyrannical health decisions. may God have mercy on their souls.
Terri, may you rest in peace, and may perpetual Light shine on you.
Posted by: elian at March 31, 2005 01:40 PM
Beautiful article. Thanks.
May God have mercy on the United States of America.
:: Sniff, sniff ::.....OK then, why don't you do yourself, and all of us who still embrace religious Freedom a favor, and hop in your time machine and fly back to the @&%#ing Dark Ages----and make sure that you take the rest of your self-rightious flock WITH you---That way you can ALL sit around in your tents and feel "dehumanized" and "ushamed" that a brain damaged woman was let to die a NATURAL death----And then, when(or better yet, IF)...you ever get done doing that, you can all flounder around uncontrollably in the dirt and sing "Praise" to a "God" who has no problem with slaughtering babies, animals, and entire ethnic groups.
Terri Schiavo: 1963-1990
Posted by: boomSLANG at March 31, 2005 02:25 PM
I'm not ashamed to be an American. I'm leaving that pleasure to the dim-dems and the MSM.
I stand proud with my fellow-Americans.
And, I know greer is as BLIND AS A BAT!
The fraudster couldn't even see Mary Shindler, let alone read any paper her team of lawyers put in front of his nose. I'd bet everything was manipulated by felos.
That a nazi is in our midst? Tell me something I don't know. We've had our enemies from the inside; include Jimmah Cawtur, the puke.
And, I'm still not ashamed to be an American!
Give us time! We are a great nation of PEOPLE capable of cleaning out the stables. There are no other PEOPLE like us on Earth. May Terri rest in peace. Her inhuman struggle is over. Our voices will not be silenced.
Posted by: Carol Herman at March 31, 2005 02:43 PM
I have to agree with you. Anyone who can't see that this is a Nazi mentality is either not paying attention or is on their way to becoming a Nazi. A feeding tube is NOT life support. Life support is a machine that assumes the function of an organ. Terry's stomach worked just fine! There are lots of people out there with feeding tubes. As for being in a vegetative state, the doctors did NOT agree on whether she was or wasn't.
Posted by: Alethea at March 31, 2005 03:01 PM
Aw.....how perfectly Christian.
Posted by: boomSLANG at March 31, 2005 03:07 PM
I think the only one living in the "dark ages" is abortionists and mercy killers. It was in the "dark ages" that the brain damaged were left to die "naturally," especially since alot of successful and modern medical techniques werent discovered yet...duhh?
In the graeco-roman pagan dark ages, the weak and imperfect were left to perish, and in some cases to be eaten by animals, or killed through posionous medicines, or straightforward murderous surgical procedures. judeo-christian society did not practice this "art" of a lovely death or this "survival of the fitest."
You know, the pro-death humans who blame "a 'God'" for their crimes are really pathetic individuals. i have never read one of them who doesnt take responsibility for all the deaths they allow to occur in society. So lets paraphrase, and try and use their rugby-style logic, "...since a cruel 'God' has allowed death and destruction throughout the ages, it is ok that THEY, THE NAZI SS ELITE MERCY KILLERS, ARE SMART ENOUGH TO DECIDE LIFE, DEATH, AND DESTRUCTION FOR OTHERS BECAUSE THEY KNOW HUMANS, AND 'GOD,' BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. SINCE 'GOD' ALLOWS THEM TO GET AWAY WITH ABORTION AND 'MERCY' KILLING, IT MUST BE OK THEN..."
It seems abortionists and mercy-killers have gotten right back to their roots. I wonder why they dont mention that war has always been in society, whether judeochristian or pagan. On the other hand, abortion and mercykilling have only thrived in pagan and neopagan societies...go figure duhh? Mind you even neopagans and nonchristians supported life for Terri, but since those who support a pro-death gestapo mentality throw stones at judeo-christian society, I figure that the neo-pagan crystal palace deserves some thrashing as well. My apologizes to any pro-life pagans or non-judeochristians out there, because I know you exist but the liberal media would never want that important bit of info to get out. Dont forget the nazis and commies massacred anyone who didnt agree with them, gays, gypsies, moslems, hindus, jews, christians, the list goes on and on and on...
Are the life-eaters crazy or high or what??
...give me the God squad over the death squad anyday.
Posted by: elian at March 31, 2005 03:27 PM
I followed the Terri story for a long time now. I have never been so sickened in my entire life. How this is just in a Country that claims to be civil is completely beyond me. To hear about what has been happening to this woman for the first time one would think that such an injustice, such cruelty and such complete lack of morals and decency must surely only happen in some far away land unattached to any sense of being civil. Then to hear that this absolute mockery of all things just is happening in Florida, in the United States of America, that in a Country that values itself to be so much more civilized than the rest of the world is run by leaders who have no clue what the definition of civil and just really are. Or is this apparent to me only. I cannot put into words how deeply disgusted I am. God bless everyone of you who prayed for Terri, god bless Terri, and god bless her family, and may her 'husband' (which is also a mockery of the word) and all those 'civil' heads of Florida and America who could help but didn't rot in hell.
Posted by: Melodie at March 31, 2005 03:30 PM
The Declaration of Independence was written by men who considered slaves 3/5 of a person and didn't feel anyone but property owners had the right to vote.
America is great... but you grandiosity is a little pathetic.
The Declaration of Independence was written by SOME men who considered slaves 3/5 of a person yadda yadda yadda....dont forget that was the dark ages back then, and everyone was ignorant of the truth, along with the rest of the civilized and uncivilized world...
...at least the slavery issue came up, and some were against it...and eventually it was forcibly abolished (Cvil War), against the court decisions of the Supremo Corto (Lincoln & the Emancipation Procl)..thats more than we can say for our "enlightened" contemporary politicos. They wont even attempt to get the anti-death agenda going. At least Republicans (Civil Rights Act) used to fight the Dems on important moral issues...now they let the Dems run rings around them,and over them, or simply LIE to their constituents i.e. the 5 prolife republicans who voted against Terri in FLA, as well as Jeb & George, who did nothing to stop her state supported murder.
America was, and still can be, great... but your STRECHING OF THE TRUTH is a little pathetic...
Posted by: elian at March 31, 2005 06:15 PM
ARGUMENT FROM THE FOUNDING FATHERS:
1) The Declaration of Independence includes the words "God" and "Creator"
2) Only a Christian would include the words "God" and "Creator"
3) Therefore, this is a Christian nation
4) A Christian nation couldn't last over 200 years without God's help
5) Therefore, God exists
Posted by: boomSLANG at March 31, 2005 06:20 PM
This case had far more to do with 'spousal abuse' than it had to do with 'the right to die'. I strongly suspect Michael put Terri in the medical position in which she found herself and then after receiving a large malpractice settlement, used the money to shop for a "right to die" lawyer who had a coterie of "right to die" physicians to collude with the assertion that Terri was 'in a Persistent Vegitative State'. That lawyer, the unctuous and oleaginous, George Felos, then found a blind judge to adjudicate the case. Judge Greer cannot read his own cases. He is blind. His court clerk reads the precedents to him.
Some justice for Terri! Not only did she not have her own lawyer but she had a blind judge who couldn't have read an x-ray or the technician or radiologist's reading of it because he literally can't see. He has no business being on the bench and the Higher Courts have no business refusing the case and/or ruling on blind Judge Greer's stubborn and quixotic ruling, based on the husband's hearsay evidence. The husband in this case having an 'axe to grind'!
Posted by: foreign devil at March 31, 2005 10:28 PM
Are you suggesting we imprison atheists and jews and muslims, etc. until they convert? Should they not get to vote? Should all our laws be first screened by the Christian Church? Which church?
This country was founded by Christians, yes. But they intentionally pushed it away from the dock, knowing the fundamental beliefs would carry on because of the protections they put into the Constitution. Their faith brought us a country that can stand on its own, constantly adapting to the reality in the world. THAT is the reason we have lasted so long and are so prosperous.
Posted by: Dave at March 31, 2005 10:34 PM
"You overstepped based on your own medical fantasy, and you turned a painless death into a circus."
Next time I see a starving Ethiopian, I will tell him how dignified his death will be and how painless his situation is. Oh, and I'll give him morphine to alleviate the non-pain.
Posted by: JonathanR. at March 31, 2005 10:57 PM
You must not understand, Terri did not have enough of a brain left to sense pain. The morphine is given as a precaution.
Does medical science ever hold any weight with people like you? Or are the witch doctors who proclaim that Terri could have gotten up out of bed and danced around the room more credible.
Show me one credible Physician who supported the Schindlers position. But why not wait until the autopsy. Maybe that will shed some like. Unless of course, forensic science is probably the Devil's work as well.
I'd like to see attention given to the "Human Doll" syndrome. This is where a family preserves a body, even though the brain is gone. They use the "Human Doll" to ameliorate their pain, and prove that they are doing everything they can. They parade this fact to anyone who will listen, all the time receiving praise on what great family members they are. Meanwhile, the body lays in state, like a doll in a box, waiting for the next visit.
Posted by: Dave at March 31, 2005 11:19 PM
Dave, not one doctor could prove what you claim, medically. Thirty three doctors, include at least a dozen neurologists signed affidavits stating that Terri needed further tests before a conclusive diagnosis could be made. Dr. Boyle of CodeBlueBlog even offer $100,000 to any medical professional who could successfully, at least 60% of the time, diagnose which of the 100 CAT scans he will give them are PVS. So far not one doctors or radiologist has accepted the challenge.
To ease their conscience many have swallowed the lie that Terri is PVS and feels nothing. It's easier to believe that that the reality that America just tortured to death an innocent woman.
Posted by: Danny Carlton at April 1, 2005 05:28 AM
CodeBlueBlog... now there's a reputable medical affiliation.
I'll wait for the autopsy.
BTW... It was more than CAT scans, it was also based on observation.
Posted by: Dave at April 1, 2005 08:28 AM
How come liberals feel so angry about the judeo-christian roots of the US? WHAT ABOUT THE BLOODLUST ROOTS OF NAZI NEW AGE AND COMMIE ATHEISTIC MOVEMENTS? I GUESS THOSE MOVEMENTS SHOWED THAT THEIR "RELIGIONS OF MAN" WERE NOT THE OPIATES OF THE PEOPLE...BUT THEY WERE THE MEATGRINDER OF OTHER PEOPLES. WHY DO THEY GET OFF SCOT FREE?
Also, how come the poster against medical evidence for Terri, ignores the "Thirty three doctors, include at least a dozen neurologists signed affidavits..." I believe some of these doctors were from Harvard and the Mayo clinic. HARDLY SOUNDS LIKE THESE DOCTORS ARE NOT CREDIBLE. This case is clearing a gross misuse of the judicial system, as well as a horrible deriliction of duty by the legislative & executive branches. All I can say is the reason Hitler came to power, and that many others perished under his regime, is exaclty becasue of the attitudes of those pro-michael schiavo, pro-greer, pro unjust rule-of-law, pro-abuse-of-power, pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-felos, pro-hemlock-die-with-dignity-society, anti-handicap, pro-hollywood body beautiful, pro-porno, pure-race, anti-imperfection, pro-fiscally conservative supporters. Hitler played on his people's insecurity about themselves, their money, and about their unwillingness to except DEALING with reality. Life is tough but most people look for an easy out. Even I do. Even people trying to understand this situation with Terri. Unfortunately, the only time people want to know the details is when they work against the Schindlers and for putting down an imperfect human being such as Terri.
I for one do not want a judge to decide if I live or die. In fact he will be biased from the get go. I am not a criminal. Why should an incompetent, pro-death judge be any better in determining my medical condition than my family or doctor. Thats not a judges role in society, and has NEVER been throughout history.
So now we dont want the death penalty for convicted murderous pedaphiles, but we want a bunch of cold-blooded pro-death judges deciding the life or death of non-criminal human beings. So lets just let the criminals judge everyone, since the judges dont want to even judge criminals, except to let them off anyway, or the judges would rather act as "angels of death" than do what they are supposed to do.
Its amazing that the reason these radical muslim terrorists hate the US is not because of the morality of conservative judeo-christians but because of the pathetic pro-death, pro-pornography, bleeding heart morality of the liberals. Yet these same heartless liberal individuals, who stick their foul minded ideas in our lives, think that defending the weak and innocent is wrong and only makes terrorists hate us more. Why are they so blind that they are making the US the most hypocritical country inthe world; the liberals and their ideas are the problem, just like Hitler, with his liberal morality and anti-judeochristian religion, convinced his people that he would solve their problems but instead gave them more of the same reasons they were in dire straights to begin with, and eventually brought his country, and the world, to ruin.
The reason that judeo-christianS, as well as other non jud-chris, stick their noses in personal family issues like Terri's, and expect the govt to do the same, is because the bloody anti-god, pro-death liberals and fiscal conservatives GOT THEIR FIRST. with your DISGUSTING ABORTION LAWS YOU HAVE INVADED EVERY BEDROOM, EVERY SCHOOL ROOM, EVERY FAMILY AND GOVERNMENT DISCUSSION ABOUT LIFE. NOW YOU WANT TO DO THE SAME ABOUT DEATH. AND YOU EXPECT PEOPLE WITH THE OPPOSITE OPINION TO JUST TAKE THIS CRAP? WE DONT LIKE IT AND WILL LEGALLY DEFEND, WITH EVERY FIBER OF OUR BODIES, TO KEEP THE PRO-DEATH SQUAD OUT OF OUR LIVES. MAN IS NOT GOD AND NEITHER ARE THE LIBERAL DEATH SQUADS. ONLY GOD GIVES LIFE AND ONLY GOD CAN TAKE IT. DO YOU SAY THIS IS INTERJECTING MY RELIGION IN OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVE? THEN YOU HAVENT READ HOW ALL OF AMERICA HAS TO ACCEPT THE SCREWED UP HOCUS POCUS, FAKE, RELIGION OF FELOS, THE GHOUL LAWYER OF DEATH. WHY ARE HIS, AND THE PRO-DEATH SQUADS, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS MORE VALID THAN THE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OF JUDEO-CHRISTIANS?
Posted by: elian at April 1, 2005 10:31 AM
What a horrible shame that this poor woman was kept in that state for as long as she was! Her parents, though perhaps well-intentioned, have in my opinion, comitted a morally reprehensible act in keeping their daughter in that state.
Perhaps if there is any justice in the universe, all those who would have kept her alive will be lucky enough to experience life in a PVS, locke-in syndrome, and/or prolonged life support and experience the joy of life that can be found by being bed-ridden for 15 years.
You do not understand what you are advocating for. Your hysteria has blinded you. Educate yourselves a little and see how wrong you have been.
Posted by: Ronald at April 1, 2005 11:25 AM
Your disgusting Hitlerite and Stalinesque-supporting arguments would be more clearly undertstood if you wrote what you ARE IMPLYING, not what you are SAYING.
Lets try my rendition of what you really mean, "What a horrible shame that this poor woman was kept in ALIVE for as long as she was! Her parents, though perhaps well-intentioned, have in my opinion, comitted a morally reprehensible act in keeping their daughter ALIVE." WITH WHAT MORAL AUTHORITY DO YOU CONDEMN HER PARENTS ACTIONS?
WHY IS IT THAT ALL YOU VAMPIRES AND DR. FRANKENSTEINS CANNOT SAY THAT TERRI WAS "ALIVE!" INSTEAD OF "IN THAT STATE." YOU ARE KILLING A LIVING HUMAN BEING, NOT SOME KIND OF BLOODY ALIEN MONSTER!!!!!! WHATS REALLY SCARY IS THAT IF SHE WERE A PVS ALIEN MONSTER FROM ANOTHER PLANET YOU "MERCY KILLERS" WOULD AGREE TO KEEP HER ALIVE!
Listen, her "loving husband" denied her physical treatment & therapy to help Terri not to stay bedridden. Also, there were dozens of credible physicians, some from Harvard and the Mayo clinic, who did not agree that Terri was PVS. This was a star chamber judge who denied all evidence that disagreed with the way he and Michael wanted her murdered. Money awarded to Michael was supposed to be spent on her PHYSICAL REHAB & THERAPY. Michael denied the treatment that he promised, and which gave him the medical practice award.
Unfortunately you and Count Felos think that if we look at this "with feelings" and not be more "rational," like the some egghead scientist out of scifi movie, that makes you more godlike to decide a handicapped person's life and death.
your own "calm & cold hysteria" leads to death by denial of the truth. Michael might be able to receive money dishonestly with this kind of attitude, as well as the right dishonorable Judge Sneer (who BTW received approx $3000 donation to his own political campaign from Count Felos). I am no saint, but right now I could think of a lot better way to make a living than with blood money. But then again I am not surprised that greer, felos, and michael agreed to mercy kill Terri, especially since they dont believe in the emotions of the heart, and therefor do not give sympathy except for their own bloodlust desires and cravings.
ps. ...but then again, Michael is a nurse now, so his whole experience with Terri can help be a good career move for him. Gotta love his bedside manner.
Posted by: elian at April 1, 2005 04:14 PM
ARGUMENT FROM SELECTIVE MASS MURDERERS:
1) Stalin was a non-believer
2) He murdered millions of people
3) Yes, atrocities committed in the name of religion have killed ten fold that, but that doesn't count
4) [non-believer] Why?
5) Because God can break his own rules
6) [non-believer] Why?
7) Because God is God
8) Therefore, God exists
Posted by: boomSLANG at April 1, 2005 05:24 PM
"I for one do not want a judge to decide if I live or die. In fact he will be biased from the get go. I am not a criminal. Why should an incompetent, pro-death judge be any better in determining my medical condition than my family or doctor. Thats not a judges role in society, and has NEVER been throughout history. "
Amen, I want my chosen spouse to have final say. Just like in this case.
Posted by: Dave at April 1, 2005 06:37 PM
Read ‘em and weep Pathetic Non-Believer (BTW what numbers do you have to back up your pathetic lies? It seems like your side is the ten-folder doesnt it? All figures rounded up,).
In the name of new agers and atheists(including abortion)- 1, 275, 000, 000 BILLION
In the name of judeo-christian religion (including disease)- 110, 000, 000 MILLION
The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression, published by Harvard University Press, 1997. The authors estimate the century's death toll at the hands of Communist governments (excluding wars) at 120 million people (more like . Country by country, deaths by the state in China stand at 65 million, in the USSR 20 million (others have cited 60 mil, I’ll use 40m), Vietnam 1 million, North Korea 2 million, Cambodia 2 million, Eastern Europe 1 million, Latin America 150,000, Africa 1.7 million, and Afghanistan 1.5 million. Additionally, the international Communist movement murdered about 10,000 people throughout the world.
This work omits deaths in Vietnam and Ghana, as well as the millions of forced abortion every year by Chinese communists...say 100, 000, 000.
There are about 53 million abortions in the world every year. Therefore the deaths from abortions are 22 times the deaths in America (53,000,000 / 2,447,600 = 21.65). Actually, many sources say there are 55 million abortions a year and other sources put the numbers as high as 60 million. However, to stay on the conservative side, I chose to use the smaller number of 53 million. (lets say 1, 000, 000, 000 to be safe since 1973, shall we?)
Add the wonderful world of death squad new ager Hitler, and you have 12 million (excluding war deaths.)
Secularized European powers caused 55 million deaths in World War II alone (including civilians). These were not religious but political wars, including fighting madman new agers and atheists. Then there was the Spanish Civil War when communists bled the country dry trying to wipe out its Christianity, with 1,200, 000 deaths.
The Wars of Judeo-Christian religions in the Middle East, Europe, and the “New World,” including the Inquisition, Indian deaths by massacre and disease, and witch burnings are as follows (I will round up in your favor blood sucker):
The New York Public Library American History Desk Reference puts it, "Estimates of the Native American population of the Americas, all completely unscientific, range from 15 to 60 million." And even this cynical assessment is wrong. The estimates range from 8 to 145 million. (including disease). Indian deaths are about 80 million (by the way who took the first Indian census in the New World?).
WORLD WAR ONE- 15, 000, 000
Biblical killings- 1, 500, 000 (not all carried out by the Jews or even Christians)
30 years and 100 years war- 4,000,000
Huguenot Wars- 23,000
Pitirim Sorokin estimated that Europeans lost some 435,000 men on the battlefield between 900 and 1450 CE.
Pogroms against the Jews- 1,500,000
Inquisition- Cited in Will Durant, The Reformation (1957): ranging from 5,000 to 30,000. lets give you 30,000
English civil Wars including Irish casualties- 1,000,000
Russian rulers- 3,000, 000
Witch burnings 1400-1800- 60,000
THROW ON ANY OTHER RELIGION AND YOU STILL DONT GET THEIR CHAPPY.
Posted by: elian at April 1, 2005 08:01 PM
Dave, my point exaclty. Michael wasnt her husband, he left her years ago, thats why a death angel judge stepped in. No one would take the scumbag Michael as her husband anymore, except the judge. No jury would have done it either. It took a unfaithful, bastard-producing, ex-husband to get a judge on the take, and an "angel of death" lawyer from "planet 9" hell, to make the death squad LEGAL ENOUGH TO MURDER a disabled and handicapped woman IN HER BED. NON OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANTED HER MURDERED COULD LEGALLY DO IT SEPERATELY. ONLY BY BUILDING A SUPPOSED "LEGAL DECISION" COULD THEY GET AWAY WITH IT.
Oh...btw Dave, if you want your spouse to put you out of your misery be my guest. The fewer of your space-age, nutty, kind around the better...especially when you are willing to either kill yourself, or have others do it for you...i.e. "assisted suicide" ...remember why we're here Dave?
unfortunately Michael's hearsay evidence was protected by the thug judge, and Terri's parent's hearsay evidence was not...but you knew that, Dave didnt you? As you also know Dave, Terri never left a message, like you just did, to be murdered by her husband and the state. You are doing it "more legal" i guess? If you want...maybe all of us on this blog can testify that you did want to be put out of your misery when life gets too hard? boo hoo boo hoo...
Posted by: elian at April 1, 2005 08:19 PM
Wow! Amazing what a little subjective research' ll get cha, huh?!?! But wait, you forgot all the stem "babies" that we pathetic non-believers kill while doing stem "baby" research. That's one helluva lot of stem "babies", Elain. So it seems we pathetic atheists "murder" WAY more..::cough::.."people" than your pro-life websites say we do. ' Better run along and adjust your figures!
Posted by: boomSLANG at April 1, 2005 09:11 PM
Elian, It sucks to lose, doesn't it. Good to see we're winning! ;-)
You forgot to add in all the fertilized eggs that have been flushed at fertility clinics at the request of the parents. I put that number at close to a Billion... maybe more!
I just listened to some guy from the Vatican say that the Pope was going to a better place.
Of course, Last week he was saying that Terri was NOT going to the better place.
It seems that living the life as supreme ruler of all Catholics, is not as good as death, but laying in a bed with no hope of every understanding anything is better than death.
Posted by: dave at April 2, 2005 05:18 PM
I've read through this site and I was struck by the passion demonstrated by both "sides." I have a more personal take on the whole situation because I am a member of the Schindler family. Terri used to babysit for my brothers and I when we were younger and I remember the exact day that Terri suffered her brain injury, 15 years before her name became known to millions.
It's sad that we will never know what Terri was truly capable of. She did not receive a single second of rehabilitation in 13 years, and as any doctor will tell you, when someone suffers a brain injury, time is of the essence.
Terri's uncle, my grandfather, was in a car wreck in 1983 that nearly killed him. Terri's father, my grandfather's brother, was in the hospital room when the doctors delivered the news: he was in an irreversible coma. Of course, nobody wanted to believe it. After much debate my mother and father, the next of kin, took my grandfather to a center for brain injury outside of Philadelphia and embarked on a rigorous rehab program. It took him six months to emerge from his coma and have any kind of consciousness. It took another six months for him to speak his first word. It took another year for him to take his first step. But when he passed away in 1999, he was able to walk, talk, live on his own, and even drive a car. That's what rehabilitation can do.
Am I saying Terri would have been 100%? No. But could she have learned to swallow food? Most definitely. She was enjoying Jell-O and pudding just a few years ago. Could she have learned to speak again? There's a good chance. Could she have learned to walk? Live on her own? Drive a car? Sadly, as I said, we will never know what she was capable of. But when Terri's parents say that she spoke to them, believe it. She responded to people in a way that was truly amazing given the years of neglect. My mother says that a month ago, Terri was in better shape than my grandfather was the day after his accident. Yet she never "got better," while he did. The difference is rehabilitation, something that Terri's parents fought for since 1992, but never got.
As I said, I appreciate the passion of people on both side of this issue, but I can't really relate. Terri isn't an issue to me. She isn't an ideology. She isn't about the right-to-die movement or the right-to-lifers or the Christian conservatives or some vast right-wing conspiracy. To me, this is about Terri, my cousin who used to let me try on her lipstick and stay up late watching TV after my bedtime. Please, no matter what "side" you're taking, remember THAT Terri.
Posted by: Katie at April 3, 2005 10:18 PM
I do not speak for Terri or her family. The comments I express are soley how I PERSONALY feel about the actions taken against her, and about those who allowed this to happen, as well as the main protagonists wanting her silenced and destroyed. I also feel that for others to "want to see put out of her misery" is revolting and if this becomes the way of society, as in certain places in Europe and the U.S., we have reached a pathetic state of HUMAN civiliation. "It takes a village to raise a child," and as we saw last week, it took several branches of government, lawyers, and pro-death advocates, to kill one disabled woman. WHAT THE HECK KIND OF HUMANITARIAN MOVEMENT IS THAT????
Many people who did not understand what was happening, and how it was happening, stood by and did nothing, or simply "piled on top of the rabbit."
For all the "pathetic non-believing death squad types" accusations against those who supported Terri living and receiving SOME KIND OF MEDICAL TREATMENT TO IMPROVE, HOW EVER LITTLE, THEY ARE SIMPLY LIARS. Pro-life supporters simply want people with disabilities, NOT TERMINALLY ILL, to NOT fade away. Since the pro-death crowd never new Terri, she is simply an abstract figure on a board game for them. It seems that when people suffer in the modern world, those who say they are "enlightened" and "liberal" or even "pro-life conservatives" are in name only, and let so many people be slaughted. Whether it is the Jewish Holocaust genocide by the Nazis, the slaughter of Armenians by radical Molsems, Ukranians by the Commies, Buddhists by the other Commies, etc...all these groups of people were looked at as "inferior" by their "masters," the discrimination, lynching, & slaving of African-Americans was the same disgusting pro-death mentality, these same "pro-person liberals and conservatives" hide their head in the sand and pretend that their deaths are for the "greater good." Unfortunately, persons of God spoke out and affected change. Sadly, in some cases other persons of God did not, but then the pro-death crowd only agrees with their own "keep silent" tactics, and their "see no evil, hear no evil" ways. I hope, through a greater power than my own, I never become that stoic in my philospophy for life, and those who suffer in this life, that I ignore what my religion says in protecting the poor, sick and dying. But the pro-death crowd doesnt have any relious or philosophical view of protecting those underprivilaged of society accept the coffin or the urn. How disgusting to view fellow humans that way...but then, ARCTIC seals are more precious soooo...
What is so disgusting about the "other side" is that they NEVER have any facts to back up their support of why they are PRO-DEATH. Sure they say "judeo-christians have caused 10 times as much death as stalin" yet they produce NOTHING TO BACK IT UP. They also say that the "Pope critisized Terri's death because she is in a worse place than if she had lived." Again, they DO NOT SUPPORT SUCH A STATEMENT. Also they say "the Pope did not want to be in a hospital why should Terri be in one." Again, misinterpretation/IGNORANCE of the facts: The Pope was bed-ridden in his apartment AND WAS ATTACHED TO LIFE-GIVING EQUIPMENT IN HIS APARTMENT. HE WAS CONNECTED TO TUBES AS HE DIED. OF COURSE WITH KIDNEYS FAILING AND A HEART ATTACK PROVIDING KILLER BLOWS, HIS FOOD WAS INSUFFICIENT IN THE FACE OF SUCH SICKNESS. BUT THE POPE DID NOT HAVE HIS LIFE SHORTENED OR FOOD STOPPED IN ORDER TO STARVE/DEHYDRATE IN ORDER TO AVOID THIS TYPE OF SUFFERING. HE SIMPLY WANTED TO SUFFER NEAR HIS SUPPORTERS, AND DID NOT WANT TO BE IN A HOSPITAL SINCE THE VATICAN ITSELF IS A BETTER HOSPITAL FACILITY THAN MOST REAL HOSPTIALS.
For those who feel abortions, euthansaia, and embryo stem cell research is ok, be my guest and support it. YOU HAVE FREEWIL TO BE OR SUPPORT whateveryouwant, I wont stop you. But I do have the right to voice my opposition, as well as the rest of the world, has a right to speak OUT against you AND HELP PEOPLE MAKE THE CORRECT CHOICES.
Not just the Pope, but the President and the U.N. are also pushing to end HUMAN embryo stem cell research because it is a self-defeating dead-end solution. How come the Pope had parkinsons disease and the "pro-embryo stem cell destroying crowd" did not step in to say how courageous he was in showing you dont have to let that disablity end your dignity as a human person? The Pope also funded human stem cell research and again noone commended him for doing that. What gives? He also spoke out to save the persecuted Moslems in the balkans and the Jews and Palestinians in the mid east, yet the anti-Christian, pro-death crowd says NOTHING? HYPOCRITS AND PHONIES!!!
Social security shortage? Well we WOULD HAVE MORE CONTRIBUTORS FOR IT BUT....ABORTION AND SELFISHNESS HAS DONE ITS WORK, NOW THOSE ON THE OPPOSITE END OF LIFE, AND THOSE NOT PERFECT ENOUGH TO ENJOY A "FULL LIFE," MUST BE NEXT TO DIE...A REAL NICE POLICY MOVE BY THE PRO-DEATH SQUADS. ALSO HUMAN(NON-EMBRYO), NOT EMBRYO, STEM CELLS ARE WHERE ALL THE SUCCESS IS HAPPENING. BUT THE PRO-DEATH SQUADS DONT WANT TO HEAR IT. IN SOUTH KOREA AND ITALY SUCCESS STORIES ARE HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY THAN ANYTHING HAPPENING WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF HUMAN EMBRYOS. AND IT IS NOT JUST BECAUSE THE U.S. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ISNT FUNDING THEM, BECAUSE BIG U.S. MEDICAL INDUSTRY, AND OTHERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD ARE FUNDING IT AS WELL, THEY STILL CANT GET RESULTS. WHY GO TO KILLING EMBRYOS WHEN HUMAN STEM CELL TISSUE IS HELPING SPINAL CORD INJURIES WITH MORE SUCCESS? WHY CANT THOSE MEDICAL COMPANIES AND GOV ARNOLD INVEST IN THAT SOLUTION? ARE THEY SO ANTI-CHRISTIAN THAT THEY WOULD NEVER SUPPORT ITALY AND THE VATICAN'S SUCCESS? HOW ABOUT S. KOREA'S SUCCESS? THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN OR CATHOLICS? IS THE PRO-DEATH SQUAD SO INTO DEATH AND ANTI-RELIGIOUS WAYS THAT IF LIFE SAVING SOLUTIONS COME ABOUT THROUGH OTHER PERSONS THAN THEIR ANTI-RELIGIOUS SELVES, THEY WILL REFUSE TO ACCEPT THEIR MEDICAL SOLUTIONS? IS ABORTION OF EMBRYOS AND FETUSES, EUTHANASIA KILLINGS OF PEOPLE, THE ONLY WAY TO GET STEMS CELLS? SOUND TOO CRUEL TO BE TRUE? THATS WHAT I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT UNTIL TERRI WAS "LEGALLY" KILLED. How sad that PRO-DEATH people can exist like this and yet they throw insults and false accusations as if they are POPES AND GODS THEMSELVES.
Posted by: elian at April 4, 2005 03:47 PM
Oh, the supposed polls for "pulling" Terri's food and water, were not ever accurate and true. But the LIBERAL AND PSUEDO-CONSERVATIVE media FAILED TO GET THAT STORY RIGHT AS WELL. go figure...ITS AMAZING THAT THE PRO-DEATH SQUAD TYPES SAY THEY ARE "FOR THE UNDERDOG AND THOSE SUFFERING," YET THEY ARE THE ONES WITH SUPPORTS IN HIGH PLACES AND EVERYONE ELSE SIMPLY HAS TO PREPARE THEIR COFFINS AND TAKE A NUMBER.
Lifenews.com AND Newsmax.com report (OH IF YOU DONT LIKE THESE SITE, GO TO ANOTHER ONE or ZOGBY, AND READ ABOUT THIS INFORMATION. SOMETIMES "BIASED" SITES DO POST THE TRUTH. GIVE ME ONE MAJOR NEWS OUTLET THAT ISNT BIASED? BUT THESE ACCUSATIONS ABOUT THE POLLS ARE EASILY VERIFIABLE. hey pro-death folks, do some research for yourselves sometimes, the truth just might set you free from the brainwashing of your pro-death elders.) YOU HAVE FREEWILL TO ACCEPT PRO-DEATH MENTALITY OR NOT. I WOULD HOPE AND PRAY YOU CHOOSE LIFE...but Im a nobody counting bodies and sex cells, with nothing better to do. How cruel of me. Unfortunately one of the persons who's sincerity cant be questioned in the pro-life movement has died recently, so the pro-death folks will probably spin his legacy to show he was a selfish person. go figure...I wonder who the heroes are to pro-death folks? Martin Luther King, Pope John Paul 2, Jonathan Edwards, Sojourner Truth, Harriet Beecher Stowe, Dorothy Day, Julia Ward Howe, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Mary Wollstonecraft, Alice Paul, and, in their own time, Mother Teresa, Bishop Fulton J. Sheen and Billy Graham were/are prolife.
ok you don't have to like these people, but at least you should remember them respectfully for what they did for poor, discriminated or persecuted peoples over the years.
The pro-death squad HAS THEIR WEBSITES BUT UNFORTUANTELY THEY DONT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO PROVE THAT PERSONS OF FAITH HAVE KILLED MORE THAN THOSE WHO SUPPORT(ED) ABORTION, EUTHANASIAN, AND EUGENICS. THEIR TOUGH LUCK.
Zogby: Americans Wanted Terri to Live
By a significant plurality, Americans did not agree with the decision by state and federal courts last week that Terri Schiavo should be starved to death, a new Zogby poll has found. According to a report on the survey by Life News, Zogby pollsters asked: If a person becomes incapacitated and has not expressed their preference for medical treatment, should "the law presume that the person wants to live, even if the person is receiving food and water through a tube?"
Forty-three percent of those surveyed said yes, with just 30 percent saying the feeding tube should be removed.
Zogby then asked: "If a disabled person is not terminally ill, not in a coma, and not being kept alive on life support, and they have no written directive, should or should they not be denied food and water?"
A staggering 79 percent said the patient should not be denied food and water. Just 9 percent said yes.
Zogby followed up with a question about Congress' decision to intervene in the Schiavo case:
"When there is conflicting evidence on whether or not a patient would want to be on a feeding tube, should elected officials order that a feeding tube be removed or should they order that it remain in place?"
Forty-two percent said officials should order that the tube remain in place, with just 18 percent disagreeing.
When told that Schiavo's estranged husband, Michael, "has had a girlfriend for 10 years and has two children with her," 56 percent of Americans said guardianship should have been turned over to Terri's parents.
Just 37 percent disagreed.
In the mid-seventies Pat Goltz, co-founder of Feminists for Life, had the honor of meeting Alice Paul, the courageous promoter of women's right to vote, and the author of the ORIGINAL EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT. Alice had known some of the earliest feminist foremothers, and made it clear to Goltz that the early feminists were altogether opposed to abortion. She then related to Goltz her concern that abortion would destroy feminism if it were not stopped. Alice's long-time colleague Evelyn Judge also recalled that she called abortion "the ultimate exploitation of women" and asked, "How can one protect and help women by killing them as babies?" I would further like to add "How can one protect and help women" by killing them when they are disabled?
TOUGH LOVE I GUESS FOR THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THOSE WHO ARE PROLIFE...TOUGH DEATH FOR THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THE PRO-DEATH SQUADS...
EVEN THE BEATLES SAID "ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE"...pathetic that many of their "followers" have lost sight of what "love" is...
Posted by: elian at April 4, 2005 03:59 PM
from the pro-life/pro-Pope newspaper the NY Times describing when God calls a soul, not when the secular state wishes to kill someone for being too sick:
Pope's Visitors Saw Serenity in Final Hours
By ELAINE SCIOLINO and DANIEL J. WAKIN
Published: April 4, 2005
..."The room was scattered with medical equipment. Medicines were arranged on a side table. The pope was monitored by a doctor, nurses and one or more of the Polish nuns who have faithfully attended him..."
..."At 9:37 p.m., the pope died of septic shock and heart failure, according to a copy of the official death certificate signed by Dr. Renato Buzzonetti, John Paul's personal doctor, and released by the Vatican on Sunday.
The Vatican said 13 other people were in the room when John Paul died: the Mass celebrants; a close friend of John Paul, the Rev. Tadeusz Styczen; three nuns; Dr. Buzzonetti; two other doctors and two nurses"...
doesnt sound like a pro-death assembly to me, but i can be so subjective sometimes...cough cough...
Posted by: elian at April 4, 2005 05:05 PM
Well we will know soon. If the corpus of Terri Schiavo had a cortex I will agree a grave mistake was made. But if it is liquid or damaged to the point of being useless which the autopsy will determine then there was a "corpus" or body there but there was no Terri. Terri had gone on many years ago in that case. It is sad and depressing no matter which side you are on. I have written directives to keep me alive if I have a cortex and/or a limbic system. If people wanted to keep me around as a medical curiosity to avoid religious people screaming they can cortex or not.
But I need a cortx to be "Steve" .... PLease people write advance directives in clear language. Let's not have well meaning people at each other's throats. This is all very sad. HAve Fun If Possible Sends Steve
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Posted by: charles nickalapoulos at April 10, 2005 05:56 AM