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August 24, 2005

The MSM's month long whining over Bush's vacation

From the American Spectator...

If it's August and the press is languishing in Crawford, Texas, it's time for the annual Bush vacation media bash. This means that unless there's a kidnapping or runaway bride story to hold the nation's interest, the media will instead launch into their favorite summer pastime; turning the president's visit home into a four-week sentence of derision and contempt.

The media seem not only offended that the president has the audacity to take a month off but that he persists in doing so in the middle of media nowhere. Unlike Bill Clinton who, until he left office, had no private residence to call home, President Bush dares prefer the dry dust of Texas to the haughty climes of chic, liberal playgrounds.

And sure enough, like Pavlov's dog, the MSM began their incessant whining.

The most rested president in American history headed West yesterday to get away from his Western getaway - and the mushrooming Crawford Woodstock - and spend a couple of days at the Tamarack Resort in the rural Idaho mountains. — Maureen Dowd, New York Times, Aug 24, 2005

A friend of mine who likes President Bush a lot can't quite understand why he’s taking so much vacation this summer. When she heard the president was headed to a new resort in Idaho today all she could do was roll her eyes and wonder, "doesn't he know what's going on in the world?" I tell you this to illustrate that President Bush seems to be trying the patience of even his most ardent admirers. — Harry Smith, CBS News, Aug 23, 2005

Bush didn't need to keep his Tour-de-Farce date with Armstrong even if Cindy Sheehan had left "Camp Casey," named for her fallen son, to be with her ailing mother. No president refusing to spend an hour with the parent of a dead soldier should spend a day basking in the glow of a cycling champ. — Ian O'Connor, USA Today, Aug. 22, 2005

Even on vacation Bush is working. His vacations, as most Presidents' vacations are, are more to escape the oppressive environment of the Beltway than to avoid work. The Liberals fret that Bush is neglecting his job because he's on vacation, in spite of the technology that allows any President to do his job virtually anywhere in the world. But did the MSM care when Bill Clinton missed ridding the world of Osama bin Laden so he could finish watching a football game? Did they fret when Clinton forced the shut down of an airport so he could get a haircut? Do they take note that while Clinton vacationed in Martha's Vineyard (try reserving a place there for a price an average American can afford), Bush vacations in the remote, rural city of Crawford, Texas, “Central Texas home of the friendliest 705 people you will ever find.” who also happen to be the 2004 Class 2A Division II Football Champions. But Clinton's the one they laud as a man of the people. LOL.

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Thank you for your article I'm a DAV Army who doesn't understand much about this computer But thank you for your views I'm astrong supporter of our President I served 5 President's and I find President Bush right up there at the top thanks again

Posted by: Jack Mathews at August 24, 2005 01:48 PM

But he has taken nearly one years vacation in five. Don't you think its a teensy bit excessive. Of course Clinton is to be censured for taking rather less vacation in the sophisticated climes of Martha Vineyard which is real close to...................the Bush summer home in Kennebunkport which I suppose is considered ''unsophisticated.''

Posted by: John Ellis at August 24, 2005 03:57 PM

Well, let's see..... If you count the vacations that Clinton took with interns in the oval office, he probably took about 6 months getting off each year.

Posted by: Kenneth at August 24, 2005 04:45 PM

Disgusting!!!! Not only is it obscene that this appointed President goes on his merry way when so many parents are sweating out the return of a loved one, it's even more obscene that neo-con dingbats still try to put all the blame on Bill Clinton. Time for America to speak up and sign IMPEACHMENT letters for this guy before he blows us all up.

Posted by: James at August 24, 2005 05:07 PM

Why dont you go ahead and sign up for a round in IRAQ???
Then YOU can be ignored while your president takes another NEVER-ENDING vaction while YOU suffer!
I think your opinion would change dramatically .
Come back to reality bible-thumper!

Posted by: Brian at August 24, 2005 05:21 PM

Any American should know that a balanced person requires fun and enjoyment. It is the American way. Sorry if you don't have it yourself, if you are disgusted with your station in life in general. However I find our President's need for unwinding as distinct (even if he still entertains our world's leaders on the same level of joy as he experiences.... as a true diplomat of ours). We should actually honor his actions. Come on people, don't be so anal... otherwise you are all turds in the end. (No pun intended.)

Randy

Posted by: Randal at August 24, 2005 05:25 PM

BILL CLINTON HAD A BOOMING ECONOMY,,A SURPLUS OF MONEY. AND DIDNT START A WAR.ID BE HAPPY TO LET HIM HAVE HIS PERKS, HE WORKED FOR THEM.WE HAD OVER 2,000 PEOPLE KILLED IN NYC ON SEPT.11 WHILE BUSH READ HIS FIRST BOOK.SINCE BUSH HAS BEEN IN OFFICE WE ARE WAY OVER 85 BILLION IN DEBT.
APPLES AND ORANGES. MEN ARE BEING KILLED IN IRAQ. WHY DIDNT HE GO THERE?TO BOOST MORAL?!!
IT DOESNT REALLY MATTER CAUSE WE ALL KNOW,,THE FACT IS ,, HE DOESNT RUN THE COUNTRY ANYWAY. BUT WHAT A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE BRAVE SOLDIERS IN IRAQ. IM SURE THEY WOULD LIKE A VACATION TOO.WHAT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE IS.,, THEY CANT COME HOME EVEN WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSE TOO. MR BUSH HAS "EXTENDED" THEIR DUTY. HOPEFULLY A PROFESSIONAL CYCLIST CAN TEACH MR BUSH HOW TO RIDE A TWO WHEELER WITHOUT FALLING OFF ON HIS VACATION. WHAT A PROUD NATION WE'LL BE!

Posted by: PATTY at August 24, 2005 05:40 PM

Why should this appointed President need a vacation, he should go to Iraq if he needs one and take his family with him instead of sending all our girls and boy (don't see any of our Politians kids over there, Dem or Repub. It is just for the poor suckers, Send the Bible Thurpers to that believe in any war they see. And all u Clinton haters, We never had it so good as when we had a human for a President

Posted by: Ronald duck at August 24, 2005 05:46 PM

Isn't congress out of session and scattered across the country. Is congress working or are they on vacation. I don't hear anyone complaining about that. I would prefer the person in the white to be rested and alert while making decisions that affect peoples lives.

Perhaps the people who are most upset think the President's presence in Washington will change things in the government. He is never really off work. Unlike some congressmen (and congresswomen) his responsibility continues.

A vacation is when no one can contact you and you are totally separated from your job for a period of time. I doubt if that is the case.

Besides didn't Cindy Sheehan already meet with the President. Now she wants to again. And if that meeting doesn't go the way she wants will she want more meetings? How about everyone else who wants to express their opinions? Why Cindy and no one else? I doubt very much if Casey would support what she is doing. Cindy Sheehan didn't want him to go to war but he did it anyway. Free choice. Perhaps she feels guilty that she couldn't stop her own son from doing what he thought was best. When your kid becomes an adult we loose that ability to affect their choices.

It is time to honor the sacrifices all American's make to better this country. Even if we don't agree.

Posted by: Stan at August 24, 2005 05:55 PM

Patty wake up and smell the coffee! BILL CLINTON DIDN'T START A WAR? IF HE HAD DONE HIS JOB INSTEAD OF INTERNS THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD 9/11. HE REFUSED ON THREE OCCASIONS TO TAKE OSAMA FROM THE SUDAN GOVERNMENT. FOLLOW THIS IS YOU CAN, NO OSAMA, NO TWIN TOWERS, NO AFGHANISTAN AND NOT IRAQ. OH BY THE WAY THE PRESIDENT DID VISIT IRAQ TO SEE THE TROOPS WITH NO NEWS OR VAN FARE. ONLY PRESIDENT I KNOW THAT WENT TO A COMBAT ZONE. PRESIDENT CLINTON HAD A SURPLUS FROM PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. IT TAKES ALMOST 10YRS FOR POLICY TO TAKE EFFECT. CLINTON GOT A GIFT. PRESIDENT BUSH HAD TO CLEAN UP HIS MESS.

Posted by: dallas at August 24, 2005 05:57 PM

It's the perception, stupid.

Posted by: G Prucha at August 24, 2005 05:58 PM

Do you think the President is actually taking a vacation? Just because he is staying in another location, do you actually think he is vacationing? None of the Presidents, Republican or Democrat, ever vacation. If you are one of the lucky people in this country who are not tied to your job by modern technology (cell phone, e-mail), then you probably do not understand that some people NEVER get a real vacation, no matter where they are. GET REAL PEOPLE!!

Posted by: Sara at August 24, 2005 06:06 PM

HOW CAN THIS BREEDER OF TERROR KEEP TAKING AIRFORCE ONE ALL OVER THE USA AND THE WORLD AND SAY IT IS NOT HIS WAR HE IS THE THAT WANTED IT AND HE ALONE IS THE REASON WE HAVE 1750 GOOD AMERICANS DEAD ITS ABOUT TIME HIS KIDS WENT OVER THERE TO DIE FOR HIM HE WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE WORSE PRESIDENT THE US EVER HAD

Posted by: dave barkley at August 24, 2005 06:07 PM

CEO or President of this nation the job comes with the same perks we all get.. Vacation. Lots of us who have worked at a job a while can get up to a month each year. What's the difference? He isn't exactly at a Club Med. He went home. Home folks. Pretty inexpensive for us taxpayers to support huh? He still has to keep it up just like all our other politicians do we have elected to D.C. And their vacation time is close to the same. President Bush is still conducting business and getting work down around his home. Not much of a vacation except for the fact he took a few days up in Idaho to rest. Cheny is away too..nobody is up his case. A country at peace is just as stressfull as not. Just watch the news.

Posted by: Malea at August 24, 2005 06:10 PM

It's funny, any time the media gets on BUSH you have some moron in some rag (American Spectator) crying like babie's about Clinton's vacation's, were not talking about Clinton, he's no longer the President, (TOO BAD) I guess the name American Spectator says it all, sit on the sidelines and make excues for the terrible job Bush is doing. We should take all the neo-cons and ship them to Iraq, let them fight the war, seems like we have enough to relieve the troops, then they could bore the enemy to death.

Tom Smith

Posted by: Tom Smth at August 24, 2005 06:20 PM

President Bush has spent almost 1/5 of his time in office on vacation. 339 days. Need I say more? The answer is no...

Posted by: W. at August 24, 2005 06:21 PM

Why all the fuss?? I wish Bush well and my hope that he stays in Texas forever-more. He's been a huge F**k-up since he "wrangled" his way into office. We must keep the damage down to a minimum...stay in Crawford Mr. Bush!!

Posted by: Brian at August 24, 2005 06:28 PM

GO GEORGE! YOU DESERVE IT!!!!!

Posted by: mike at August 24, 2005 06:35 PM

Every year at this time this issue rears it's ugly head for President Bush. Washington DC is closed down and all of the House and Senate have returned home for their vacations. Who's asking where is Hillary or Leahy or Dodd or Teddy? No one is camped outside their vacation homes. In fact Bush has conducted presidential business on a weekly basis since he arrived in Crawford. He made three appearances and speeches in the last five days. He can conduct his business from his home as many executives do. I'm plain sick of Liberal banshees braying over this.

Posted by: John Sweeney at August 24, 2005 06:40 PM

DALLAS STOP EMBARRESSING YOURSELF.OK ..TRY FOLLWING ME.. IM GONNA USE SOME NAMES THAT DONT HAVE A "JO" AT THE END.AND THERE ARE NO BUBBA'S IN THIS STORY. FIRST OF ALL. OSAMA BIN LADEN DOESNT LIVE IN IRAQ.
SADDAM HUSSEIN DOES. SADDAM AND OSAMA TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE... CATCHING ON YET?,, NOW I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE HARD FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT SADDAM WASNT A THREAT TO US. HE HAD A MILLION MAN ARMY.YET THEY FOUND HIM IN A SPIDER HOLE LOOKING LIKE A MEMBER OF ZZ TOP, BEGGING FOR HIS LIFE.OSAMA STILL LOOSE! RUNNING AROUND.. TRAINING TERRORISTS IN IRAQ NOW!TERRORISM TRANING CAMPS ARE FLOURISHING IN IRAQ.GOOD THING WE GOT SADDAM HUSSEIN. OH YEA,, AND CAT SEVENS,,LOL
IT IS PRESIDENTS BUSH'S JOB NOW TO GET OSAMA. GUESS WHAT?? HE DIDNT. HE GOT SADDAM
DALLAS,, YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS. YOUR GONNA BLAME BILL CLINTON FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ? THATS JUST INSANE. PLEASEEEE.. I GUESS THE REST OF US WILL JUST WAIT FOR YOU TO EVOLVE.

Posted by: Patty at August 24, 2005 06:46 PM

P.S. DALLAS,,PLEASE TRY BEING CREATIVE. ITS OLD, UNINTELLIGENT AND SUCH A COP OUT TO BLAME THE LAST DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION FOR THE PROBLEMS IN THIS REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION, AND THE GOOD PART OF THE LAST DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION CAME FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BEFORE THAT? ARE WE HAVING AN "ACCOUNTABILITY" PROBLEM HERE?LOL
ITS TYPICAL REPUBLICAN POLITICS. WE'LL WAIT:))

Posted by: PATTY at August 24, 2005 06:54 PM

Bush neglecting his job while he is on vacation? We can only hope...........

Posted by: Maxine at August 24, 2005 07:03 PM

you guys kill me. Most of the blogs written on this inane subject play to the simplicity and pliability of the liberal mind. It's all about perception, and location, and if GWB is not in the location(DC) that these knuckleheads think he should be, he is detached, or devoid of a sense of reality. Come on people, do you really believe that business of the people in 2005 is a place?
GWB has an enormous task ahead of him, in fact, many emourmous tasks. Do we really care if he clears brush in the afternoon sun, and rides his bike in the morning?
You may not agree with how he is handling our country, you may still be peeved that he is in office in the first place, but I would bet you all would be hard pressed to explain why the previous administration, while not responding to numerous warning signs that have us in this position in the first place failed to respond.
The Bush haters in your use of the blah blah blah rethoric of long vacations insult the intelligence of us all.
Use the word "vacation" in a sentence as it relates to a president, and it doesn't fit the norm your knuckleheaded view of rich guys enjoying the fruits of your blue collar labor point of view tries to promote.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 07:05 PM

ONE MORE TIME DALLAS, BEFORE YOU RESPOND.
OSAMA BIN LADEN= OVER 2,000 PEOPLE DEAD.SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 HE ATTACKED US ON OUR OWN LAND. HE IS STILL RUNNING AL QUAIDA.WHICH NOW IS TRAINGING IN IRAQ FOR FUTURE TERRORISM ATTACKS AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.OSAMA BIN LADEN ESCAPED FROM AFGHANISTAN, WITHOUT A MILLION MAN ARMY.TO PROTECT HIM.
SADDAM HUSSEIN= WANTED ALL THE MIDDLE EAST OIL!REMEMBER WE GOT HIM OUT OF KUWAIT?HE WAS PISSED ABOUT THAT. BUT HE DIDNT ATTACK US.HE DIDNT HAVE TERRORIST GROUPS TRAINING FOR ATTACKS AGAINST AMERICAN CITIZENS ON OUR OWN LAND. HE DID TRY TO ASSAINATE GEORGE BUSH SENIOR. AS DID GEORGE BUSH HIM.

Posted by: PATTY at August 24, 2005 07:15 PM

How sad that we have a moron for President who let's our young men die for HIS "noble" cause. when is the country going to stop letting this guy ruin our future? This country is on the way out, thanks to Bush's spending, our deficit, the disrespect we have around the world. Abortion and gay rights are used to distract us from what everyone really cares about, making a decent living, good healthcare, etc. That's what Bush should be working on instead of vacationing every chance he gets. HIs daughters said they were wondering what they were going to do when they got out of college so they went on the campaign trail. Now that there's a war that their daddy believes so much in, why don't they do the real American thing and go fight for their country?

Posted by: Kathleen at August 24, 2005 07:35 PM

UMM , YOU DONT REALLY BELIEVE GEORGE BUSH RUNS THE COUNTRY DO YA???!!(PSSSSSSSSST THERES NO SANTA CLAUS EITHER!)SORRY! HE CAN STAY IN TEXAS FOR ALL I CARE.AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED WE'RE ALL SAFER THE FURTHER AWAY HE IS FROM WASHINGTON. ITS HIS "IN YOUR FACE INSENSITIVITY" THAT IS A DISGRACE TO THE BRAVE BOYS FIGHTING IN IRAQ.HE REMINDS ME OF MY TEENAGE SON,INSISTING SUMMER IS TIME OFF FOR KIDS.THE "VACATION" YOU DESCRIBE DOUG, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THE PRESIDENT IS "RUNNING A BUSINESS" OHHHHH! I GET THE WHITE COLLAR THING NOW!!!ITS LIKE A BUSINESS VACATION.SEE US BLUE COLLARS WORK FOR PEOPLE.WE ACTUALLY EARN OUR VACATION. WELL,,HOPE HIS "VACATION" IS SUCCESSFUL AND HE GETS THE TWO WHEELER THING DOWN.

Posted by: PATTY at August 24, 2005 07:37 PM

I feel Ya kathleen,, dang women are smart!

Posted by: PATTY at August 24, 2005 07:45 PM

Are you liberals so intellectually dishonest to truly believe that GWB is taking a vacation in the purest form of the word? There is no "vacation" for a president, he's on call 24x7 both in the white house and out. The debate as to whether GWB's vacation time is problematic is completely beneath even you liberals. If you care to complain at least offer a logical, intellectually honest and non-emotional argument that is worthy of debate.

Posted by: Coop at August 24, 2005 07:46 PM

ahh, welcome to the trap I laid for you Patty.
You fall into it nicely. If you believe that a rich insensitive white collar guy who does not work for a living wrote this then you are sorely mistaken. I merely point out that the class divide that you and people like you try to promote simply preys on the, here is a rich insensitive guy who is only out for oil, etc. etc. takes advantage of us little people mantra boloney is full of hypocrisy. You will be the first person we hear from when you pay 5 bucks for gas in your Ford Focus.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 07:48 PM

Did anyone ever decide to look into how long congressmen paid vacations were? If you look at it they get a longer vacation so why are we cracking on bush? If you ask me there are a lot of idiots out there who need to look at their own criticisms. They say that Bush is trying to hide from his troubles with the war and with the economy or whatever by taking a break from his job and spending time with his wife. Does anyone else think this absurd? These critics who are so quick to judge, don't seem to realize that with every little nitpicking problem they find with the president they are just trying to hide from their own insecurities on the topics at hand and cant seem to realize that although Bush does have a lot of say in Washington -- he isn't the only one. If they are so concerned with the amount of vacation that Bush is taking they need to write their congressman and do something about it instead of sitting around whining about it. Oh and how many of these critics tour the country visiting VFW conventions and other political assignments while on their vacations. Some vacation.

Posted by: KaraLynne M at August 24, 2005 07:58 PM

Pres. Clinton may have failed to get Osama during peace time and without starting a war and limited military. So what is the present President's excuse?

Posted by: Thomas at August 24, 2005 07:58 PM

agreed, these dang women are smart. I'm feeling smarter every post I read from them.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 08:00 PM

Oh.Dear.God. Is anyone else sick of the polarization of the American people in the last 7 years? I sure as heck am. This right/left/conservative/liberal crap is not only completely mindless, it's non-productive. Regardless of your political affiliation, you cannot disagree that the office of president of the United States is the most important job in this country. As an elected president, he is expected to work hard, DO his job, and LEAD the people who did (or in this case, really didn't) elect him. People who, the majority of which, are struggling every day to make a living, provide for their families, and often have to work overtime or take on two jobs just to make ends meet. So I have little sympathy for our vacationing president. As THE most important job in the country, for which he is paid handsomely (not just in salary but in speaking fees), he should be working EVERY day for the American People. Over 300 days vacation during his term of office is simply disgusting. Not only is it a slap in the face to those that work hard every single day (I know this is something white-bred, wealthy Republican's don't understand), but it smacks of disrespect to the troops who are fighting a 24 hour a day, 365 day a year war and can't even come home to spend a WEEK with their families, much less an entire month. And for those of you who are insisting that GW is working hard during his vacation by hosting dinners and giving speeches, even you have to admit that all he's REALLY doing is socializing and reading what someone else has written FOR him. Yeah, real hard work, that is. Or wait, were you talking about his little bike ride with Lance Armstrong? Or maybe it's all that fishing he's doing?

Posted by: T. at August 24, 2005 08:00 PM

Patty, Please go away! You are very STUPID!!!! If you even respond to this in any way you will prove your stupidity.

Posted by: gwynn at August 24, 2005 08:03 PM

Bill Clinton was just a better Chief Executive.
Spin it any way you want.
Bill Clinton was just a better Chief Executive.
I wish Bush would go on a permanent vacation.
Maybe he will resign or will be impeached.
Or maybe Pat Robertson will get him.

After all, "It's Hard work"

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Posted by: Dawg at August 24, 2005 08:06 PM

Thomas, Osama is out and about, and stronger only because we failed to heed the warning signs.
Your president, who was mostly interested in creating a legacy for himself had not the intestinal fortitude, but did of course possess other strong fortitudes a bit further south, could not have even begun to have responded the way the current pres has.
I know it kills you, and history will tell if the control of this region was tipped by what GWB has done in Iraq. My guess is in 10 years most of you will be on the bandwagon. We will see John Kerry meeting with the heads of state of a democratic Iraq claiming unity all the way.
In fact I laugh when I forsee of how quickly the tide will change.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 08:10 PM

all the sarcasm aside, I am truly dissapointed with how my fellow americans pick up on the mantra of what they hear in the media, and use emotional non backed arguments to make their cases. This blog is one of the better examples of that I've run across. Enjoy, but please for your own sakes, read something other than this or CNN.
Over and out.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 08:17 PM

Gas is $307. in Chicago, men and women are dying in an illegal war, the dollar continues to drop in value while the trade deficit continues to grow. The American People should send Bush on a permanent vacation and make his family repay the money he has squandered NOT capturing Bin Laden!

If he spent the rest of his life trying Bush could never be a better leader than Clinton! The only reason Bush doesn't get caught cheating 'cause Condi will never tell!

The Christian Right and the Republicans should be ashamed of the monster they created.

Posted by: BB at August 24, 2005 08:18 PM

Amen to that, Thomas. I always find it funny when Republicans say, "oh, Bill Clinton failed to get rid of Osama when he had the chance". Er, couldn't we just insert "GW Bush" into there as well? There's some hypocricy for ya, Doug "the conservative". (Oh, and here's some news for you: Republicans aren't all conservative, and Democrats aren't all liberal. There's a difference between political party and ideology). You know, if you bothered to read your news, you'd know that the FBI and CIA investigation in 2000 resulted in a 2001 report that said that Sudan (where Osama was supposedly hiding at the time) was not harboring terrorists. You can't blame a president for faults of the CIA, you know. Isn't that what Republicans say regarding the WMD reports? So why does it not also apply to former presidents? Gee, there's that hypocricy again... go figure.

Posted by: T. at August 24, 2005 08:21 PM

dawg, you articulate my previous points brilliantly.
now get to bed, you have to picket in the morning.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 08:26 PM

T. I think we are talking about the ability to envision what could be the future and acting on it vs. responding to the polls.
I am conservative by creed, yes and certainly do not support all republicans, and certainly have supported democrats. My guess is you have never voted for a republican. If that's true, you back my arguments that this is nothing more for folks of your mindset than a class discussion of what party represents what you have or have not achieved in life. The dems of today do not even come close to representing the strength I believe this country should display. None are perfect, but I do believe GWB will be judged in the context of history to have done the right thing, even if if it is tough now.
The world is full of people who cannot see the forest for the trees. It's not about Saddam or anything like that. It's about the control of the most vital region in the world to your job and my job, and all of our futures. If you don't believe that then you have not filled your tank recently.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 08:38 PM

Clinton had a booming economy, and relative peace in the world. Plus he didn't lie to the country to get us into a costly war of choice. Also, Clinton didn't spend twenty percent of his Presidency on vacation like Big Dubya did. You prove that mindless and immature children should not have access to the internet.

Posted by: AdamH at August 24, 2005 08:38 PM

that last post from BB was brilliant.
I think I sat behind you in the Michael Moore movie. You know, the one where Bush was depicted as a Saudi Loving oil hound Hitler? you remember, I was crying viva Clinton!! all the way through it, yeah that was me.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 08:45 PM

AdamH.
ooooh. I'm so offended. I thought I was smart.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 08:47 PM

man we have to get Bill back. I only have 12 bucks left after my expensive Rich republican carryout. I'll put it in the kitty. Who's with me? C'mon he saw my needs, I felt his compassion. Hang on, let me run out to my expensive Ford and scratch up some xtra change.... yeah, I have 13.26 now. Let's go!
It's grass roots, man, we can bring him back. Oh wait, he can be first man soon.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 08:55 PM

oh goodness, Doug, you amuse me. I have, in fact, voted for Republicans ( Oh, and I should probably add.. what does filling my tank recently have to do with my previous comments? If anything, I would think Republicans wouldn't point that out, because the cost of gas right now has NOTHING to do with Bill Clinton. Hm. Imagine that.

Posted by: T. at August 24, 2005 08:58 PM

argh. Most of my previous post got deleted. ok, let's try again.
oh goodness, Doug, you amuse me. I have, in fact, voted for Republicans (that's plural, mind you). You seem to have missed my previous post about how I abhor political dichotomy. I vote based on issues, not on people or their political party, just FYI. And, since I work with statistics for a living, I generally view public polls as biased and invalid, due to sampling issues.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "folks of my mindset (which is what, exactly? Could you enlighten me since you know me so well?)having nothing more to say than a class discussion of what party represents what you have or have not achieved in life". Huh? Class discussion? Have or have not achieved in life? I'm reading my former post, Doug, and find nothing alluding to either.
I do acknowledge that Republicans are much better at using PR to manipulate public opinion. After all, remember how OUTRAGED Republicans were at Bill Clinton's sex life? That was just his SEX life. (I should remind you also that Clinton was not the first President, Democrat or otherwise, to have women as playthings in the oval office). And yet, right now, we have thousands of men and women DYING in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we hear hardly a peep from Democrats.
Personally, I am of the opinion that I would much rather have a president who screws interns on the side than a president who screws with the lives of American soldiers as an entree.
Oh, and I should probably add... what does filling my tank recently have to do with my previous comments? If anything, I would think Republicans wouldn't point that out, because the cost of gas right now has nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Hm. Imagine that.

Posted by: T. at August 24, 2005 09:10 PM

my apologies T. when did u vote for your last republican?
The reference to filling your tank simply illustrates that you have to separate the emotional from the pragmatic. No matter the arguments against going in after Saddamm pro or con, this country you and I live and hopefully mutually thrive in is driven by oil. Whether I like that part or not it's a fact. The aggressive policy taken by the GWB admin does support that reality. I am merely trying to separate the the repetitive mantras of the liberal left, from the relity of how life in America would be if we did not have an aggressive policy in the mideast. My point is, Bill did little but shake hands over there, and your dichotomy regarding the CIA info could have validitity. I have heard conflicting reports of what Clinton knew regarding the risks. The fact is, Iraq was the most ripe for the taking, and presents the best option for sustained influence on the region for us. AGree or disagree with how it came about, I don't think Bill would have been the guy to gain anu upper hand over the long term. He would have made us feel good about our diminished standing though.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 09:11 PM

Well, it is a bit too much. But I would hope that he would take some time to learn public speaking. Now that I think about it he could be hiding out instead. He was gone when 9/11 happened. Give the guy a break, when a C- student goes to Washington, can you expect him to be able to count (he might not know how many days he has been gone!) Besides No Child Left Behind couldn't make an exception for anyone over 18.

Posted by: Shey at August 24, 2005 09:16 PM

shey, I aint saying he be the best public speaker I ever been hearin dont ya know.
Reagan, now there was one.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 09:18 PM

Wow, Doug, I didn't think it was possible. But yes, once again, you missed the mark. I voted for my last republican in 2004, Doug. Not for president, mind you, but for state elections. Additionally, you seem to have already classified me as a "liberal". I guess that saying anything against GWB automatically classifies me as such, huh? It this another glittering example of you knowing my "mindset"?
If you DID know me, Doug, you'd know that I'm emotionally impaired, but not because I'm over-emotional. I'm the one my friends come to when they're falling apart because I don't get sucked into the mushy gushy-ness and instead attempt to use a logical framework to problem-solve. So your assertion that my opinion is based merely on emotions is, I'm afraid, quite inaccurate.
Again, I'm amused by your Clinton comments, though. I guess negotiating with Israel and Palestine, creating peace between the two communities for the first time in years was just a.. what did you call it? Oh, that's right.. a hand shake. (yes, I know that those peace talks fell apart after the death of Yasser Arafat in 2004 and the installation of Sharon, I get that). I'm hard pressed to understand how this could have been accomplished though "agressive" tactics that you advocate.
I, for one, Doug, am MORE scared for the future of this country as a result of our agressiveness in the middle east. Particularly because our intelligence (i.e., FBI and CIA) seems to be churning out enough inaccurate reports lately. You seem not to have bothered to read anything about how the US is perceived by other countries at the moment. We're not popular out there, Doug. Sorry to inform you.
Ultimately, Saddam or no Saddam, he wasn't the one who planned the attacks on NYC. What ever happenned to finding THAT guy, huh? Does anyone even care anymore? Or are we going to wait for the NEXT administration or the NEXT terrorist attack to put as much effort into finding Bin Laden as we did Saddam Hussein? Iraq was about oil, Doug. Plain and simple. You can argue the WMD issue repeatedly, but if you do, my answer to that will be... ok, so when are we going to attack North Korea? Or Pakistan? Or any other country that has demonstrated the ability to create and use WMD?

Posted by: T. at August 24, 2005 09:34 PM

we are all kidding ourselves if we believe this has anything more to do with anything other than the sustenance of our way of life via control of the 2nd largest cache of oil in the world. Even a liberal would have to admit that they like to drive with the A/C on.
Gotta go, early tee time.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 09:35 PM

Holy COW, Doug. You know, I actually agree with you for once. Regan WAS a fantastic public speaker. And while I thought his presidential term was fraught with horridness, I thought he was a kind, articulate, and well-meaning gentleman who loved his wife and his country most dearly. See, this is what I mean when I say that I separate people from political party. Get it now?

Posted by: T. at August 24, 2005 09:37 PM

T.
I never mentioned WMD. I told you why we are there. When you fill up tommorrow remember why I said we are there.
Israel, Palestine? What is it worth if it was not lasting as you readily admit on the mortality of one individual? and, I do not care that we are not popular right now with the french.
I thought you said you were unemotional, yet all your arguments so far have been.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 09:42 PM

I hope he stays in Texas forever. He shouldn't be in Washington to start with. It's really time to let the Clinton bashing go. We need to move on and deal with the loser we have now.

Posted by: TimW at August 24, 2005 09:45 PM

well, since 73% of the country agreed with you on Reagan, I guess we have to settle on that as common ground!
Been a pleasure.
Ciao

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 09:45 PM

I did like the word horridness, in the same paragraph as kind and gentle and loving though.
My friend, you make my point more distinclty than I ever could hope to.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 24, 2005 09:48 PM

Dallas - you are right on. President Bush is doing a great job -- And when one is doing good and not always looking for the limelight he is open to criticism. He works all the time and is never really on vacation.

Posted by: Linda at August 24, 2005 09:51 PM

The President deserves a Permanent Vacation! Look at the President as a CEO of a Very Large Corporation! Under his leadership the Corporation has Lost 100's of Billions, Killed 1000's of it's Employees aka (Armed Forces) because of "Bad Intelligence" or Total Incompetence, or Much Worse; Personal Agenda! Alienated Friends and allies throughout the World. De-valued the dollar 30%+, Lies about Inflation. Housing, Food, Fuel, are up 50% in a year, yet the inflation rate is "3%"? Got into extreme debt with our largest consumer goods trading partner, CHINA! All of this accomplished while in office. I say if we paid him 1 billion a week to stay vacation it would be cheaper than having him on the job.....!

Posted by: WM at August 24, 2005 10:21 PM

All this whining over the President's vacation...

It's just an excuse to write the same old tired phrases like "illegal war," "other countries hate America," "War for oil," and my favorite,"I'M SO SCARED."

Get some new material.

Posted by: Loui at August 24, 2005 10:39 PM

Well, whether you agree with his motives for going to war or not, the reality is that we are a nation that is at war. The president is the last person who deserves a vacation when millions of Americans can not afford to take a vacation and do not have the responsibilities that he has at this time. If he takes us to war, he of all people should sacrifice his own personal enjoyment for the good of his country,since he has the luxury of making orders from his air conditioned, climate controlled office in Washington with all of the modern conveniences while our soldiers are out on the battlefield in the heat being shot at. "I need a vacation" just doesn't cut it. WAR TAKES NO VACATIONS MR. BUSH AND NIETHER SHOULD YOU! Get back to work and get us out of this mess that you've gotten us into.

Posted by: escobardali2265 at August 24, 2005 11:25 PM

SPEAKING of vacations!!!!!!! since mr. John Kerry was suppose to be such a GREAT leader with GREAT ideas for this country, where has he been for a year since he got thumped!!!!!?????? now last time i checked, a senator has power to write legislation, put a bill up for vote, DO SOMETHING ABOUT ANYTHING, yet like we all heard during the elections, John Kerry and his democratic buddies dont do anything. You all want to criticize Bush, just tell me one thing, WHAT SHOULD WE DO TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM and why hasnt Mr Kerry or anyone suggested it. Oh, and no one seemed to have a problem when Mr. Edwards "attendance" was in question during the election. That is the part i love the most, everything is so hypocritical....

Posted by: Jon at August 24, 2005 11:39 PM

No one ever wanted to criticize what Clinton did. Wall Street journal just ranked the presidents based on a HUGE list of criteria and clinton was in Bottom 10. FACT and that isnt sonme biased peice of crap NY TIMES poll!!!!

Posted by: jon at August 24, 2005 11:47 PM

IT IS TIME EVERYONE GET ON THEIR KNEES AND THANK GOD WE HAVE PRESIDENT BUSH. HE DESERVES A VACATION JUST LIKE YOU DO. LEAVE HIM ALONE. SHEEHAN NEEDS TO STAY HOME WITH HER MOTHER BECAUSE SHE IS THE ONLY PERSON WANTS HER AROUND NOW THAT SHE HAS MADE A FOOL OF HERSELF. I HAVE LOST A DAUGHER AND I KNOW HOW IT FEELS BUT WOULD NOT WANT TO DISHONOR MY DAUGHTER BY MAKING A FOOL OF MYSELF. ONLY THE IDIOT LIBERALS WANT HER IN CRAWFORD NOT THE LIBERAL WITH ANY SENSE. WE ALL NEED TO GET BEHIND OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR TROOPS AND SUPPORT THEM. EVERYONE SAYS THEY SUPPORT THE TROOPS BUT AND THE BUT IS WHAT GETS IN THEIR WAY.


Posted by: Margaret Dudley at August 24, 2005 11:55 PM

Doug, couldnt agree more on your take. CLINTON made you feel good. Clinton had a way of making everything look ok. NO ONE in the world can put a measure on 99% of what goes on in the white house, it just comes from an overall feeling people get.

My favorite is this. We "had a surplus of money" when Billy was in Office. I liken that to your huge coperation you work for coming to you and saying " Mr./Mrs. Smith, here is the deal. Us as a company, we are going to take an extra $200 from your paycheck and hold it in this account over here. Now we are doing that for everyone, but the great news is, we will have all this money saved up so WE can decide for you what to do with it" There is not a CEO in the world that could do that, BUT ol Billy did. YOU paid higher taxes so we could have a surplus!!!! How is that different that just having your company give you less money.???? Getting back to no one knows what the hell goes on with a presidency really. For an earlier email about How the economy was so great under clinton. Tons of jobs, all those great things. Can someone point to a bill or law or something that was passed that created these worderful things?? I am being serious....... No one knows!!!! they just heard thru media that EVERYTHING was great. "all is great, we are great, everything is awesome" I will point to 1 cold hard fact that NO ONE can refute! Bill Clinto was the RECEPIENT of the largest sector increase of any sitting president. While he was in Office, The Internet become not only a boom BUT an entire sector in the job market and on wall street. It accounted for over 65% of the stock markets gains and millions of Jobs. and since you are on here, you must be a little internet savy, these gains were a farce!!!!!! they were paper gains not backed by anything tangible and when it finally caught up and leveled out, Ol Billy was out of office and ANY president that came after was in for trouble. THERE is no denying it. I am not blaming Clinton fo rit, JUST stop giving him Credit for it, AND please dont tell me how Gore invented the internet.

Posted by: Jon at August 25, 2005 12:04 AM

Angry veteran here...

For all you Bush Apologists out there, Bush could take a dump in your mouth and you'd beg for more... What the hell is wrong with you people? Can't you wake up out of your delusional dream and see what is happening to us? This administration has been a MISERABLE FAILURE and you continue to APOLOGIZE for everything this IRRESPONSIBLE, SNARKY NITWIT DOES! Everything this President touches has turned to absolute CRAP and you REFUSE TO SEE IT? I think maybe you need to analyze why. Is it because you voted for the FOOL and are embarassed and have your EGO wrapped up in his success? If that is the case, you better get over it, because he has ALREADY LOST the war in Iraq... AND OSAMA BIN LADEN IS STILL FREE!!! ISN'T THAT FAILURE ENOUGH? FOUR YEARS AFTER 9/11 AND OSAMA ISN'T CAUGHT DEAD OR ALIVE?

AGAIN, THIS IS ONE ANGRY VET and you Bush Lovers really do need to visit your local recruiter and let someone over there come home. Put your damn ass where your mouths are!

Posted by: cowboyneok at August 25, 2005 02:09 AM

TAKE A LONG VACATION, TAKE IT IN IRAQ,DODGE SOME BULLITS LIKE YOU DONE THE DRAFT MR. BUSH.

Posted by: Jesse Clark at August 25, 2005 02:18 AM

One little detail that everyone seems to sweep under the rug: Former governor clinton was indicted for committing a felony while in office- lying to the Grand Jury while under oath. Again, a felony, a federal crime.

Posted by: Kerry at August 25, 2005 02:25 AM

Doug: By admitting the reason for this war is about the sustainability of our economy, which is undoubtedly reliant on oil, you just called Iraq a war for oil. When president Bush spoke about the passing of the Energy Bill this summer, he said that we needed to focus on alternative fuel sources. Is he lying or does he actually disagree with you that we need to move America away from being oil dependent? I think all Americans believe that the thought of our own countrymen dying so we can pay at the pump is unjust, unfair, and despicable.

Posted by: Alexander at August 25, 2005 02:57 AM

"Isn't congress out of session and scattered across the country. Is congress working or are they on vacation. I don't hear anyone complaining about that. I would prefer the person in the white to be rested and alert while making decisions that affect peoples lives." Said Stan way earlier ---
That sure has worked out really well so far! He(Bush) was rested when he stated a "preemptive" war; rested as we(USA) slide further into debt;
rested as the number of killings of USA men and women in uniform mount;
Well we've seen what rested does for us as we have seen what it does for his righteous supporters -- like Pat Robinson.

Posted by: Neil Murphy at August 25, 2005 04:30 AM

Alexander,
That's where everyone makes the mistake. The Energy Bill is decades down the road in terms of applicability. Oil is the present and future for many years to come. Separate the pay at the pump rhetoric from the reality: CHina, and other countries are using and growing their dependency on oil as they grow into large economies. Therefore large supplies are in danger of being controlled. If the US does not have a foothold in the mideast (and I did not want to say that this is the only reason we are there) then we risk the actual supply that could affect our economy. I am not suggesting this is about prices at the pump in exchange for lives, I'm saying this is potentially a fight over our very existence, both from those that want to do us harm, and from an economic presective.
I think the world has far from seen the end of oil driving bedlam around the globe. Alternative energy sounds great, but it is still many years off, and even a guy like Bush can see that.
Do I wish Texas had enough to supply all our needs? Absolutely. Course that would mean Bush would be even richer, and we can't have that.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 25, 2005 04:46 AM

DOUG YOUR AN ASS, I PROBALY MAKE MORE MONEY THAN YOU PS FOR A 'WHITE COLLAR GUY" LEARN YASELF SOME GRAMMA!

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 05:51 AM

WHAT IS ABOUT REPUBLICANS ARE THEY BRAIN DEAD?? GEEEZEE DENIAL SURE RUNS THROUGH THOSE THAT DONT HAVE TIME TO PAY ATTENTION,, OR DONT HAVE THE INTELLECT TO MAKE CHOICES OUTSIDE THERE COMFORTZONE, HOMETOWN, OR SOME RELIGIOUS CULT. TIME TO EVOLVE PEOPLE. YOUNG MEN ARE BEING KILLED. HOW DO BUSH VOTERS SLEEP AT NITE???YOU KILLED ALL THOSE YOUNG MEN!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YA,,DENIAL,, THE WAY MOST AMERICAN MEN CHOOSE TO LIVE. DOUG ID LIKE TO EXPRESS AGAIN.yOU MIGHT WANT TO GET YA SELF SOME SCHOOLIN

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 05:59 AM

ps DOUG I DRIVE A MERCEDES,2004 CLK WHITE WITH CHROME WHEELS,IM SURE YOU LOVE YOUR PICK UP. BUT I DO COME FROM A BLUE COLLAR BACKGROUND, SO I KNOW WHAT REAL PEOPLE ARE.MY HUSBAND IS A VET.. H WAS 15 MI. FROM THE DMZ IN VIETNAM. MY DAD WAS BORN AND RAISED IN GERMANY.HE WASN AMERCAN MARINE,nyc FIRFIREFIGHTER, WORKED HARD HIS WHOLE LIFE..ALL HE WANTED WAS TO BE AN "AMERICAN" WELL I WAS BORN HERE,, I LOVE AMERICA, GENERALLY SPEAKING AMERICANS ARE THE BEST.ITS THE BACKWARDS,, SMALLMINDED PEOPLE THAT KARL ROVE TARGETED,, WELL TO BE HONEST,,, I DIDNT THINK IT WOULD WORK,I HAD MORE FAITH IN EVEN THE SMALLEST OF BRAINS IN AMERICA. BUT AMERICA HAS FAILED A TEST THEY HAD 4 YEARS TO STUDY FOR. IT WAS MULIPLE CHOICE AND STILL HALF THE COUNTRY GOT IT WRONG.THE REST ARE PAYING FOR IT. SOME WITH THEIR LIVES,, HOW IN GODS NAME CAN U FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT??!!!U SHOULD BE EMBARRESSED!!!! YOU HAVE TO BE BRAIN DEAD NOT TO GET THIS!!!!!! BUSH HAS SAVED ME AND MY HUSBAND ALOT OF MONEY,,I HAVE NO DOUBT I COULD BUY AND SELL YOU. BUT IM NOT THAT SELFISH.I STILL THINK VACATIONS ARE EARNED,AND A PRESIDENT SHOULDNT START A WAR FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL INTEREST.THEN TAKE A VACATION!!!!!THAT SOUNDS OK TO YOU??????!!!! HOW CO_DEPENDANT ARE YOU?!!! ITS THAT EASY DOUG,, DEAL WITH IT. I HOLD ANYONE THAT VOTED FOR BUSH ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE BRAVE SOLDIERS THAT DIED IN IRAQ FOR BUSH'S "CAUSE."
PLEASE DONT CONFUSE BUSH'S CAUSE WITH FREEDOM, CAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THE PERSON BENEFITING WITH FREEDOM IS BUSH, NOT THE IRAQI PEOPLE NOT THE SOLDIERS HE KEEPS THERE AGAINST THEIR WILL.CERTAINLY NOT THE ONES THAT DIED. WE WILL HAVE TO PULL OUT CAUSE BUSH HAS NO EXIT PLAN,, CAUSE HES AN IDIOT!THERE WILL BE NO FREEDOM FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE THATS NOT FREEDOM. THATS CALLED DICTATORSHIP.FUELED BY AMERICAN IGNORANCE..iT TAKES AN OPEN MIND THAT THINKS LOGICALLY TO SEE IT,, TIME TO EVOLVE

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 06:32 AM

RIGHT ON JESSE CLARK!!! BUSH IS DODGER!!! NOW HES LEARNING TO RIDE A TWO WHEELER, WHILE OUR BRAVE YOUNG MEN ARE BEING KILLED IN IRAQ!HOW DO BUSH VOTERS SLEEP AT NITE???????!!! OH YA DENIAL!!!!
DOES ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THAT EVERYTIME SOMEONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH A REPUBLICAN,, THE REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY DEFLECT THE ISSUE BY "BLAMING" OR ASSOCIATING A DEMOCRAT WITH THAT PROBLEM?? REPUBLICANS ARE LIKE SPOILED TEENAGERS,, NEVER ACCOUNTBLE!! SO TRANPARENT.

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 06:38 AM

COWBOY!! UR THE BEST! HA HA !!

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 06:42 AM

PATTY,PATTY,PATTY......YOU MUST HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO.LET ME EDUCATE YOU.THE U.S. OCCUPIED JAPAN UNTIL 1955[THAT IS 10 YEARS AFTER THE WAR]WE DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO HAVE AN ARMY UNTIL 1995 YES 1995,CHECK IT OUT....SEE IF I AM WRONG.
LOOK AT JAPAN TODAY,LET`S SEE THEY CONSUME 41% OF THE WORLD`S LUXURY GOODS.NOT BAD FOR A COUNTRY THAT DID NOT HAVE AN ARMY FOR 40 YEARS AND THINK OF WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE WORLD DURING THAT TIME.DICTATORS NEED TO BE SQUASHED,THEY STEAL FROM THEIR OWN AND BUILD THEIR OWN WEALTH AT ANY PRICE TO THEIR PEOPLE.
TIME WILL ONLY TELL WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN IRAQ.MY MONEY IS ON THEM BEING VERY PRODUCTIVE IN THE WORLD`S ECONOMY,ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY HAVE THE WORLD`S 2ND LARGEST RESERVE OF OIL....SAUDI`S BEING FIRST.SADDAM UNDER WRAPS GIVES THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY.YES INNOCENT LIVES ARE PUT AT STAKE AND EVEN DIE,THE PRICE TO MOVE FORWARD[CHECK HISTORY OF AMERICA,IT WILL HELP]

Posted by: GLENN at August 25, 2005 09:29 AM

Oh, so many fools so little time. The fact is that EVERY human being on the planet does something that others see as wrong. Personally, I don't like Bush all that much, however I do understand the importance of vacation. My job is hardly as stressful as his and every day I'm wondering: GOD is it friday yet? At least we get weekends off. Now, as to the fool addressing...
By Patty: "AND DIDNT START A WAR" Um, am I the only one that seems to recall Yugoslavia? Oh no, that wasn't Bill Clinton, that was the OTHER Bill Clinton right?
By Brian: "Then YOU can be ignored while your president takes another NEVER-ENDING vaction while YOU sufer. I think your opinion would change dramatically .
Come back to reality bible-thumper!" Considering we are the best supplied most adept military on the planet, and our death total (barely reaching a little over 2,000 in the 4 years we have fought)is less than the deaths resulting in gunfire in the USA in one year.. well, I believe he hasn't ignored them. Never ending??? Really? here I was being so ignorant and thinking it was only until the end of August. Boy do I feel stupid. I don't believe in the bible, and damn do I know how to go off on a tangent about it, but let's be civil here. No need to sound like a jackass just because someone believes in something you dont. I do believe that is one of the reasons we have so much fighting. People disagreeing STRONGLY about religon.
By Ronald: "Why should this appointed President need a vacation, he should go to Iraq if he needs one and take his family with him instead of sending all our girls and boy" Why? Because he has the most stressful job on the planet and everyone deserves a vacation. You and I are so ignorant. We don't know what exactly he goes through and yet we criticize and/or defend him. Sending our girls and boys... hmmm, I wasn't aware there was a draft and he was sending us over by the truck loads. I thought we signed up for the military nowadays. God, I am such an idiot. AH, of course! You are briliant! We should send the Bush family over. An older man, and 3 women instead of trained, fit men and women of the US Military. You are briliant! Can we trade brains?
By dave barkley: "HE ALONE IS THE REASON WE HAVE 1750 GOOD AMERICANS DEAD ITS ABOUT TIME HIS KIDS WENT OVER THERE TO DIE FOR HIM HE WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS THE WORSE PRESIDENT THE US EVER HAD" He alone? I was under the misguided impression that suicidal maniacs with bombs strapped to themselves were the reason people were dying. Again, your logic is greater than mine. 1750? Please, get your facts straight. We have over 2000 dead, and we lost many more people in the 9/11 attacks (so many deaths in one day) compared to this entire 4 year ordeal. Ah yes, his kids should fight sure why not, theyre only the president's daughters and thus would be used as political prioners. The worst president? I beg to differ sir. All the other presidents we have had in the past have backed down and submitted to public whinning, and then when we look back (hindsight is 20/20) we all complain about: oh well you should have done this! At least we have a ma (for better or worse) that is prepared to see one plan through to its completion despite the crying of the weak.
By Patty (again): "DALLAS STOP EMBARRESSING YOURSELF.OK ..TRY FOLLWING ME.. IM GONNA USE SOME NAMES THAT DONT HAVE A "JO" AT THE END.AND THERE ARE NO BUBBA'S IN THIS STORY." Haha, I did get a kick out of that. But come now, must we be so immature? "SADDAM HUSSEIN DOES. SADDAM AND OSAMA TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE... CATCHING ON YET?,, NOW I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE HARD FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT SADDAM WASNT A THREAT TO US." *Gasp* Saddam and Osama are not one in the same? My world has turned upsidedown! Idk, I always thought the numerous death threats to America seemed kinda threatining. Then again, he could have been saying South America and we just didn't understand him. "LOOKING LIKE A MEMBER OF ZZ TOP, BEGGING FOR HIS LIFE.OSAMA STILL LOOSE! RUNNING AROUND.. " lol, Patty, I don't agree with your statements but you make my day. He did look like someone from ZZ top didnt he? Oh yes, and Osama is still loose. Know why? Because even though I don't completly agree with dallas either, he was right that Clinton had several opportunities to take Osama into custody but did not. You cannot try to defend a fact attack like that. It is the truth, it was a mistake. Am I saying that's the reason for the Iraq War? Of course not, but events unfolded and 9/11 was the starting point of american aggression. "AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED WE'RE ALL SAFER THE FURTHER AWAY HE IS FROM WASHINGTON" Idk when the last microsoft update was, but I was almost sure you could send emails, and do buisness online and make phone calls and such. Maybe it's just me, but I think he can still work even if he's not in the White House. Then again, I could be wrong... there is no such thing as the internet and thus, the president cannot do his job. Oh by the way, I think your Cap locks are on. You might consider turning those off.
By Coop: "If you care to complain at least offer a logical, intellectually honest and non-emotional argument that is worthy of debate." I agree with you wholeheartedly. HOWEVER, realize that many conservatives and right wingers are just as bad. Both sides have their idiots and brains. Dems had FDR. Gotta love that man. Reps had Ike. Reps also had Nixon, and Dems had Marin Van Buren (pretty much THE least known president of all time).
By KaraLynne M: "They say that Bush is trying to hide from his troubles with the war and with the economy or whatever by taking a break from his job and spending time with his wife. Does anyone else think this absurd? These critics who are so quick to judge, don't seem to realize that with every little nitpicking problem they find with the president they are just trying to hide from their own insecurities on the topics at hand and cant seem to realize that although Bush does have a lot of say in Washington -- he isn't the only one" Goddamn I have to agree with Patty. Women are pretty smart. Briliant! It does seem rather odd that such a hard taxed man, who has taken vocal abuse for more than 4 years cannot take a vacation or spend time with his wife. HOWEVER, we all seem to find the time to rant every 5 mins about some bullsh*t.
By T.: "Is anyone else sick of the polarization of the American people in the last 7 years? I sure as heck am. This right/left/conservative/liberal crap is not only completely mindless, it's non-productive. Regardless of your political affiliation, you cannot disagree that the office of president of the United States is the most important job in this country." I beg you all to read and comprehend what T has said. Both sides have their fair share of idiots. I do not believe I need to go further. READ.
By BB: "The Christian Right and the Republicans should be ashamed of the monster they created." A monster? I think that may be a little extreme. Has he commited genocide like Hitler? Has he sent his soldiers to absolute slaughter (mind you we have lost less men in 4 years in war than we did ONE day on Omaha) like Stalin? Has he gasses civilians in attemts to further his weapon knowldge like Saddam? Has he crashed civilian aircraft into non military targets like Osama? Before you call him a monster, look at what others have done and note he has already taken one out.
By Doug the conservative: "You know, the one where Bush was depicted as a Saudi Loving oil hound Hitler?" I hope that was sarcasm. Sometimes I just cannot tell. I don't know which Moore movie you speak of, but I gotta respect that man's ignorance. He goes around bashing America and Americans for a living, and then we praise him, give him money and maybe a movie award or 2. If it were any other country in the world... he would be dead. Yet I don't know if he realizes it. If he hates America and wants to move (he's claimed to want to move) why doesn't he? Oh, that's right, because for all his complaining (and everyone elses) he knows he is MUCH better off in America.
By WM: "Look at the President as a CEO of a Very Large Corporation!" Or maybe look at the President as the PRESIDENT of a large corporation? Oh yes, and totally different. The day any of us become president and then have one of our cities bombed followed up by overwhelming cries for action followed by outroar of "retreat"... that is the day you have the intellect to fathom his job. Until them, let him run the company and YOU stick to your cubicle.
By cowboyneok: "Is it because you voted for the FOOL and are embarassed and have your EGO wrapped up in his success? If that is the case, you better get over it, because he has ALREADY LOST the war in Iraq... AND OSAMA BIN LADEN IS STILL FREE!!!" Im not old enough to vote yet. If I could, It's Bush or Kerry. Seriously... KERRY. I think the Democrats could have done better. At least pick someone with some spine. I don't doubt his war record (why should something like that even matter?) it's his confliciting statements. He's always saying one thing doing/meaning something else. Already lost the war? Lets see: Crush Iraqi forces? check. Capture Saddam Hussien? check. Establish a government? check. Constitution? in progress. Capture Osama? hahahahaha! as if, I think we should leave him cowering in his cave rotting in his own filth while still trying to convince everyone but him to go and die for Allah. Yes, knowing every day must suck because he KNOWS he may be spoted or die... ah, I wonder what his nightmares are like? I bet he pisses himself when he thinks about what happens if the Isrealis find him first (not that they're looking that hard, but his face is pretty well kown). Osama a problem? Not really.
I would like to thank fools everywhere. I have done my best to discredit you (or congradulate some of the more briliant statments here) without being so harsh or using the naughty language many of you seem to direct at others. I do hope someone manages to talk back and topple my rather opinionated statements. It would be a shame if none of you could outwit a 17 year old. And congrats if you do! You must feel good about yourself.
Oh Patty, you really need to do something about that Cap lock. I'm afraid if you're constantly screaming, it discredits all that you say. Makes you look unstable. You could also be interpreted as a (place naughty word for female dog here) by some of the less eloquent about us. However, I see your opinions have some thought into them so I respect your opinion, even if I do not agree with it.

Posted by: Lawson at August 25, 2005 09:36 AM

The fuss over Bush's vacation and life to live remarks is because the country is at war and losing it's most precious resources in the lives of our young men and women. Also people are worried about their finances and the upcoming winter with the fuel costs skyrocketing...no time or money for long vacations for the rest of us. Bill Clinton did take some time off of course but we were not at war with anyone and most of us had a little more disposable income with which to live our lives.

Posted by: Rose at August 25, 2005 09:53 AM

GLENN... STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK PIPE!!!

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 11:47 AM

i can't believe how many of you liked clinton. he made the USA look like a laughing stock to the rest of the world. the only reason the economy was 'booming' was because of bill GATES... he's the one who we can thank. if it wasn't for him and the rise of AOL, the economy would NOT have been so great. then the second bush gets into office, we get attacked here in NY and all of a sudden it's bush's fault. if clinton did his job when he had it instead of always getting the 'jobs', maybe we wouldn't be in this position. i'm sure your boy clinton knows all the positions all too well. the only problem i have with bush is the price of gas. how can you raise the price of gas over a dollar and not use our resources?! come on bush, help us middle class Americans out! give us another $500.00 tax break check so we can all filler up. ;)

Posted by: Joce at August 25, 2005 11:47 AM

LAWSON, YOU DONT LIKE THE CAPLOCK??? LOLOL.. AWWWWWWWWWWWW

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 11:52 AM

i can't believe how many of you liked clinton. he made the USA look like a laughing stock to the rest of the world. the only reason the economy was 'booming' was because of bill GATES... he's the one who we can thank. if it wasn't for him and the rise of AOL, the economy would NOT have been so great. then the second bush gets into office, we get attacked here in NY and all of a sudden it's bush's fault. if clinton did his job when he had it instead of always getting the 'jobs', maybe we wouldn't be in this position. i'm sure your boy clinton knows all the positions all too well. the only problem i have with bush is the price of gas. how can you raise the price of gas over a dollar and not use our resources?! come on bush, help us middle class Americans out! give us another $500.00 tax break check so we can all filler up. ;)

Posted by: Joce at August 25, 2005 11:47 AM

Posted by: Joce at August 25, 2005 12:02 PM

OH WOW GLENN! OH REALLY??!! JAPAN,,, IRAQ?!!! LOL IM AMAZED AT THE DESPERATE ATTEMPTS TO JUSTIFY THIS CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION. THE SAD THING IS I THINK YOU ARE TALKING YOURSELF INTO BELIEVING THIS CRAP.
BIG DIFFERENCE, WE DIDNT START A WAR WITH JAPAN,, WE DIDNT GO IN AND INVADE JAPAN OUT OF THE BLUE
THATS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID IN IRAQ,THE PRESIDENT LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO DO IT TOO!! ITS ALL FACTS GLENN.UGH,,ITS LIKE ASKING THE BLIND TO SEE I GUESS..

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 12:02 PM

SHUT THE HELL UP GYWNNN,,LOL

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 12:06 PM

Lawson,, you make my day too!OOPS ALMOST FORGOT MY CAPLOCK!! YOUR SOO FUNNY!! DO YOU WRITE COMEDY FOR A LIVING???!!IM THINKING YOU PROBABLY WORK OUT OF YOUR HOME TOO. YANNO EMAIL,, TELEPHONES ETC. BY THE LENGTH OF YOUR POST.LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOUR NOT GETTING ALOT OF "WORK" DONE. MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO INTO THE OFFICE.

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 12:49 PM

OK I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS CONSTANTLY. TO ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT ARE BLAMING 911 ON CLINTON.LETS JUST SAY HE SHOULD HAVE GOT OBL. FOR THE US COLE. 12 MEN DIED? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.SOO FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT,, SAY HE SHOULD HAVE BUT DIDNT. WHY HASNT BUSH GOT HIM? AND WHY IS HE STILL TRAINING TERRORISTS TO KILL AMERICANS. AND I MIGHT ADD RIGHT IN IRAQ UNDER OUR NOSES,, BUT BUSH IS NOT ACCOUNTABLE?AND CLINTON IS?
BUSH WENT INTO IRAQ AFTER WE HAD BEEN ATTACKED BY OBL. SADDAMS A FREAKIN NUT! NO ARGUMENT THERE. BUT DONT YA THINK OSAMA,, WHO KILLED ALMOST 3,000 PEOPLE ON OUR LAND WAS A BIT MORE OF A PRIORITY?
PLEASE DONT SAY THEY "CANT FIND HIM" SADDAM HAD A MILLION MAN ARMY AND SECRET TUNNELS EVERYWHERE.. AND WE FOUND HIM.ITS REALLY AS EASY AS USING COMMON SENSE.KARL ROVE,, YOU ARE A GENIUS,AND RUTHLESS FRAMING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND USING OUR OWN STUPIDTY AGAINST US.

Posted by: PATTY at August 25, 2005 01:08 PM

Uh, Patty, I agree with Lawson (that is, if you bothered to read through all that crap to get to the end of his message- note to Lawson, people get bored with blog entries after about 2 paragraphs. I doubt anyone really read through the entire thing) about one thing. Your cap locks put people off more than engaging them to pay attention to what you're saying. It's sort of like shouting... when someone only shouts, you tune them out. Try sitting down for a minute, BREATHE, and then formulate your thoughts in a cohesive, coherent manner, because as it stands, you really do seem to be ranting, not debating. Big difference there.

Oh, and just to correct some of the former posters' comments:

Kerry: Clinton wasn't indicted for Whitewater or anything else. Check your history. You may be referring to the activities of the House of Representatives, who, in 1999, approved two of four presented articles of impeachment (1. providing false and misleading testimony and 2. obstruction of justice). When this went to the Senate, however, these articles of impeachment did not receive enough votes to pass. Thus, he wasn't impeached. Nor indicted.

Jon: you made some comments earlier about John Kerry and "where is he?". You either don't remember or are too young to remember that there was a guy named Bob Dole who ran a few years back. After THAT election (for which he lost, obviously), people were saying the exact same thing: where the heck IS he? Face it, losers for the highest office we've got don't exactly like to parade around reminding people that they failed. These are politicians. The damage to their ego when they lose is overwhelming. How many failed presidential candidates DO you see doing much of anything after the election?

Finally, "the only problem I have with Bush is the price of gas" Joce: Are you serious? The only problem you have with him is the one that affects your pocketbook?

Unbelievable.
Signing off for now.

Posted by: T. at August 25, 2005 03:29 PM

lawson, be nice to Patty, it's her first computer. The darn letters on my keyboard are all upper case, so why should'nt hers be?
and yes, what you saw on my Micheal Moore post was sarcasm. Unlike many conservatives who boycotted his 911 flick, I went to see it and tried to be objective. I honestly could not understand how anyone could watch it with a straight face, but when I travel in Canada, as I am this week, this is what people outside the US hear and see and think about GWB.
He aint perfect, but he's my prez babay!

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 25, 2005 06:17 PM

T, your rant was more than 2 paragraphs. What did you say at the end?

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 25, 2005 07:26 PM

I seem to remember that President Eisenhower used to conduct the country's business form Camp David. He met foreign leaders there, held working conferences, etc. but he was on vacation. No body was complaining about the time he spent away from Washington.

Bush does the same thing but in Crawford. If you don't like Bush you will find something to complain about.

The logic that some people are using about the WMD's is just like the policy getting a search warrant, searching a house, not finding anything and then the judge coming back and saying you [police] must have lied!

No one in their right mind would deny that Hussein had those weapons at one time since he used them on his countrymen. I suppose to the left that was OK because he didn't use them on anyone they knew or who voted for them. He used them and then hid them.

Posted by: Stan at August 26, 2005 06:20 PM

And Patty calls me an idiot. Oh boy where do you even begin with someone like this. Hopefully the dems can find enough more like you next go round.

Posted by: Doug the conservative at August 30, 2005 05:22 AM

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