http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/08/hold_the_presses_collins_is_be.php

Very poor ethics from these 'Godly' folks.

Jesus: Hitler's motivation?

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/08/d_james_kennedy_darwin_and_hit.php

Okay, I've constructed a strawman. But I'm honest enough to say so. Perhaps you can research how many times Hitler referenced 'Darwin' vs 'Jesus' in his political career? [Clue: you don't want to.]

There isn't one reputable scientist alive today that thinks evolution is crap.

Coulter is clueless, Darwin was not.

Hitler was a creationist who believed in a special creation for Aryans.

By saying that evolution is survival of the fittest shows that you haven't a clue about what evolution is. It is about successful adopting. For example, would you say a blind fish is more fit than one who can see? In caves many fish are blind, but survive better than those who can see because they have keener senses of smell and use it to stay clear of predators and find food.

I'm not sure how Darwin inspired Marx.

Why do you fear science and evolution?

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/08/hold_the_presses_collins_is_be.php

Very poor ethics from these 'Godly' folks.

Collins was used in a segment showing that there are scientists that have doubts about Evolution. He was never used in the film to promote the central concept of the film. Ethics would be noting that. Since you didn't, then you would be the one with poor ethics.

Jesus: Hitler's motivation?

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches...darwin_and_hit.php

Okay, I've constructed a strawman. But I'm honest enough to say so. Perhaps you can research how many times Hitler referenced 'Darwin' vs 'Jesus' in his political career? [Clue: you don't want to.]

Okay, let's spell it out slowly for you...

"Although trained as a physician, Haeckel abandoned his practice in 1859 after reading Darwin's Origin of Species. Always suspicious of teleological and mystical explanation, Haeckel used the Origin as ammunition both to attack entrenched religious dogma and to build his own unique world view."—From Ernst Haeckel's bio at the University of California (Berkley)'s Paleontology Museum web site

"Although best known for the famous statement "ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny", he also coined many words commonly used by biologists today, such as phylum, phylogeny, and ecology. On the other hand, Haeckel also stated that "politics is applied biology", a quote used by Nazi propagandists. The Nazi party, rather unfortunately, used not only Haeckel's quotes, but also Haeckel's justifications for racism, nationalism and social darwinism."—Ibid.

Then there's this...

In 1935, Heinrich Himmler, head of the Gestapo and the SS, founded an elite Nazi research institute called the Ahnenerbe. Its name came from a rather obscure German word, Ahnenerbe (pronounced AH-nen-AIR-buh), meaning "something inherited from the forefathers." The official mission of the Ahnenerbe was to unearth new evidence of the accomplishments and deeds of Germanic ancestors "using exact scientific methods."...

This new expertise, Himmler hoped, would help reconstruct the lives of Germany's ancestors before the first written histories and greatly extend knowledge of the mythical "Nordic" race. Indeed, one of the Ahnenerbe's most ambitious young researchers, archaeologist Assien Bohmers, claimed he could trace "Nordic" origins all the way back to the Paleolithic era in Germany, when woolly mammoths and cave bears wandered the chill tundra. —Hitler's Willing Archaeologists, Heather Pringle, (a science journalist who has been writing about archaeology for more than 20 years)

And this...

"In every European country between 1870 and 1914 there was a war party demanding armaments, an individualist party demanding ruthless competition, an imperialist party demanding a free hand over backward peoples, a socialist party demanding the conquest of power, and a racialist party demanding internal purges against aliens—all of them, when appeals to greed and glory failed, or even before, invoked Spencer and Darwin, which was to say, science incarnate . . Race was biological, it was sociological; it was Darwinian."—Jacques Barzun, Darwin, Marx, Wagner (1958), pp. 92-95.

So yes there is an abundant source of evidence that shows Darwinism and the foundational world view for Nazism. As for Christianity, even Communist China has "State Churches" which are used to preach devotion to the state, all the while Communist China rounds up Christians on a regular basis and imprisons them for the crime of worshipping outside the state controlled "churches". Are you going to now claim that Communist China is Christian?

Danny - they said they were interviewing him about his book and used the footage for something else. That's just plain dihonesty, from the lying for Jesus campaign.

with regard to my straw-man, you've missed the point completely by constructing one of your own. Do you honestly think that evolution leads to atheism which leads to immorality? You'll be telling me the world is 6000 years old next...

PS - these commentry pop ups truncate the text soemtimes, any way of fixing that?

There isn't one reputable scientist alive today that thinks evolution is crap.

"Reputable", of course, being conveniently defined as "supporting Evolution", otherwise the statement is patently, and obviously false.

Coulter is clueless, Darwin was not.

LOL, ad hominem is the last refuge of those who know they've lost the argument.

Hitler was a creationist who believed in a special creation for Aryans.

Except that there's no proof for such a statement.

By saying that evolution is survival of the fittest shows that you haven't a clue about what evolution is. 

Why is it so many people that haven't the foggiest idea about the most simple thing of Evolution assume they're experts. Debating you guys isn't even a challenge.

It is about successful adopting. 

Really, so Man didn't descend from pond scum, pond scum legally adopted man. Interesting theory, actually almost as plausible as the main Evolutionary theory garbage.

For example, would you say a blind fish is more fit than one who can see? In caves many fish are blind, but survive better than those who can see because they have keener senses of smell and use it to stay clear of predators and find food.

Eyesight for open water fish makes it more "fit". Smell and other senses for cave dwelling fish make them more "fit". They are two different kinds of fish. Do you not understand that? You seem to have an almost childlike grasp of science. Are you sure you wouldn't want your parents to help you prepare a better comment?

I'm not sure how Darwin inspired Marx.

It's not that hard to grasp, but for the slower thinker (generally Evolutionists) see the quotes above.

Why do you fear science and evolution?

I don't fear real science. I do fear what pseudo-science can do, based in part on what it's done in the past, namely inspired Marx and hitler.

Danny - they said they were interviewing him about his book and used the footage for something else. That's just plain dihonesty, from the lying for Jesus campaign.

So far I haven't seen anything from him, just from Evolutionists that are saying he wasn't aware that it would appear in the film. The outrage appears to be invente4d on the part of those who lack any better argument. If the segment he was in was about what he represented, then it was a fair use. Since you, nor the other making the pretend outrage, haven't seen the movie, you can't really claim that he was used to promote something he doesn't support. It's possible to use someone to prove a foundational point, that the person agrees with, then continue with interviews of other people to build to the ultimate point, never implying the original person support the final point. I see it done all the time on news programs. An elementary level of logic is assumed n the part of the viewer, which would explain why Evolutionists are having such a hard time with it.

with regard to my straw-man, you've missed the point completely by constructing one of your own. Do you honestly think that evolution leads to atheism which leads to immorality? You'll be telling me the world is 6000 years old next...

Yes, it is illogical to believe in Evolution and God. If Evolution is true, what is left for God to do? If evolution is true, and God does not exist, morality is an illusion.

PS - these commentry pop ups truncate the text soemtimes, any way of fixing that?

Yes, stop typing lengthy URLs when you can put them in a link instead. that's what "(you may use HTML tags for style)" means.

I think lying is wrong Danny. So does the good book. If other media does it all the time, that makes it perhaps commonplace, but not morally right.

*shrugs*

You're just using 'no ture scotsman' - many have reconciled theistic beliefs with evolution. You can interpret how you will - but clearly you can be Christian and accept NDE.

some fun qoutes for you:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:z_X4zSEI2eYJ:atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_AHitler.htm+%22highest+image+of+the+Lord%22+hitler&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. [Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933"

looks like adolf shares your worldview!

*wink*

Danny: "LOL, ad hominem is the last refuge of those who know they've lost the argument."

Danny: "...but for the slower thinker (generally Evolutionists)..."

In THE SAME POST. Magic.

Here's the scoop:

from -

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/4877_52.htm

"New York, NY, August 22, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today blasted a television documentary produced by Christian broadcaster Dr. D. James Kennedy's Coral Ridge Ministries that attempts to link Charles Darwin's theory of evolution to Adolf Hitler and the atrocities of the Holocaust. ADL also denounced Coral Ridge Ministries for misleading Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute for the NIH, and wrongfully using him as part of its twisted documentary, "Darwin's Deadly Legacy."

After being contacted by the ADL about his name being used to promote Kennedy's project, Dr. Collins said he is "absolutely appalled by what Coral Ridge Ministries is doing. I had NO knowledge that Coral Ridge Ministries was planning a TV special on Darwin and Hitler, and I find the thesis of Dr. Kennedy's program utterly misguided and inflammatory," he told ADL.

ADL National Director Abraham H. Foxman said in a statement:"This is an outrageous and shoddy attempt by D. James Kennedy to trivialize the horrors of the Holocaust. Hitler did not need Darwin to devise his heinous plan to exterminate the Jewish people. Trivializing the Holocaust comes from either ignorance at best or, at worst, a mendacious attempt to score political points in the culture war on the backs of six million Jewish victims and others who died at the hands of the Nazis.

"It must be remembered that D. James Kennedy is a leader among the distinct group of 'Christian Supremacists' who seek to "reclaim America for Christ" and turn the U.S. into a Christian nation guided by their strange notions of biblical law."

The documentary is scheduled to air this weekend along with the publication of an accompanying book "Evolution's Fatal Fruit: How Darwin's Tree of Life Brought Death to Millions."

A Coral Ridge Ministries press release promoting the documentary says the program "features 14 scholars, scientists, and authors who outline the grim consequences of Darwin's theory of evolution and show how his theory fueled Hitler's ovens."

The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is the world's leading organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry."

Wing Nut Daily gets it wrong *again*

Jack, lets eee one scientist who DISPROVES evolution.

There is no evidence Hitler believed that man evolved from anything other than man. In other words, he completely bastardized the theory of evolution.

Why does the idea of evolution bother you so much?

Why do you believe that man was created by dirt, yet can't accept real science?

What are you scared of Jack?

I guess I should be addressing Danny, not Jack.

Anyhoos, Hitler believed in a special creation for the Aryan race. He believe in God, and he believed he was carrying out God's plan.

He never mentioned evolution.

http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Hitler.cfm

Hitler's goal was the "purification" of the "Aryan race" through the elimination of "subhumans", which included Jews, gypsies, Asians, black Africans, and everyone else who was not a white Aryan. Despite the creationists claims that this was based on Darwinain evolutionary theory, Hitler's own writings give quite a different story. The ICR claims that "Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) over and over again in his book." (ICR Impact, "The Ascent of Racism", Paul Humber Feb 1987) Like so many of ICR's claims, this one is simply not true -- a quick scan of several online English translations of Mein Kampf shows only ONE use of the word "evolution", in a context which does not refer at all to biological evolution, but instead to the development of political ideas in Germany: "This evolution has not yet taken the shape of a conscious intention and movement to restore the political power and independence of our nation."... "White Aryans," Hitler writes, "are the special creations of God, the "highest image of the Lord", put here specifically to rule over the "subhuman" races: "Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."..."Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," adding "Compared to the absurd catchword about safeguarding law and order, thus laying a peaceable groundwork for mutual swindles, the task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission." For Hitler, removing the subhumans from earth was not a matter of biology or evolution -- it was a divine mandate from God Himself, the "work of the Lord", a "truly high mission".

I think lying is wrong Danny. So does the good book. If other media does it all the time, that makes it perhaps commonplace, but not morally right.

They didn't lie. They interviewed him in regards to his faith, and skepticism of Darwinism. That's what they used the interview to establish in the documentary. Just that. Assuming more would be to assume that since many Communists in the early 1900's Germany were Jewish, Communism was a Jewish plot. That was Hitler's lie. Your lie is to imply that association equals endorcement. Pretty much the same sort of lie.

You're just using 'no ture scotsman' - many have reconciled theistic beliefs with evolution. You can interpret how you will - but clearly you can be Christian and accept NDE.

I'm assuming you meant "no true Scotsman". Ironic, since that's the exact fallacy Evolutionists use when they claim that "no true scientist doubt Evolution". I've met Christians (from Asia) that still hold to some of the "many gods" beliefs common in those parts. Superstitions like that and Evolution can be hard to shed, but it doesn't negate the fact that Evolution is mutually exclusive with Christianity.

some fun qoutes for you:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:z_X4zSEI...

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. [Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933"

looks like adolf shares your worldview!

Hardly. Before gaining power Hitler played up to the Churches because they were a power point. Once he had power, though, his words and actions changed. The quotes you reference are all before he had established himself enough to show his true feelings. Excerpt from the experiences of the Von Trapp family before the fled Autria show the true history of Hitler's treatment of the Churches as well as Christians.

From The Story of the Trapp Family Singers...

“Listen,” said Werner, opening a window, and in came, in rich, heavy waves, the sound of numerous bells. We could distinguish the Cathedral, Nonnberg, Saint Peter’s, the Franscicans, but there must have been many more. Father Wasner called a priest friend of his, inquiring about the bell-ringing. The Nazis were marching into Salzburg. A Gestapo man with a gun was supervising the ringing of the bells in every church.

Thus the Nazis entered Austria. The book tells how the Nazis played over the radio the sound of the bells, claiming that the people of Austria were greeting their "liberators", obviously not mentioning that the bell ringers had guns pointed at them.

The schools changed as well...

“Mother, listen what I learned in school today,” and little Rosemarie's eyes looked frightened. “The teacher said Jesus was only a naughty Jewish boy Who ran away from His parents. That's all. That isn't true, is it, mother?”...

“In school we are not permitted to sing any religious songs with the name of Christ or Christmas. We can hardly sing any Bach for that reason.”

As for the doctors...

There was a good specialist in Munich, and Georg wanted me to see him. So we set out one day for Munich...

“Your wife cannot have another child,” he informed my husband; “at least, not until the kidneys are back to normal. They are both badly infected.”

“But what can we do now?” and Georg sat down on a chair as if his knees had grown weak....

“The child has to be removed, of course, immediately.”...

“What do you mean, ‘of course’? That is not ‘of course’ at all. On the contrary, it is absolutely out of the questions—we are Catholics, you know.”

These are all taken from the same chapter, which explains the changes in Austria after the Nazis invaded.

Danny: "LOL, ad hominem is the last refuge of those who know they've lost the argument."

Danny: "...but for the slower thinker (generally Evolutionists)..."

In THE SAME POST. Magic.

An ad hominem argument attacks the person rather than the issue. Not all things that are insulting are ad hominem. Whether your obtuseness is "conveneient" or "honest" it nonetheless is real, and pointing it out is hardly an ad hominem attack. However, ignoring data is a well known logical fallacy.

Here's the scoop:

from -

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/HolNa_52/4877_52.htm

"New York, NY, August 22, 2006 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today blasted [blah, blah, blah]

Wing Nut Daily gets it wrong *again*

Answered it here. WND got it right.

Jack, lets eee one scientist who DISPROVES evolution.

Since not one scientist has ever proven it, I'd say the burden of proof is on you and you fellow zealots.

There is no evidence Hitler believed that man evolved from anything other than man. In other words, he completely bastardized the theory of evolution. 

Other than all the evidence that show that he did. I posted some above. But apparently you want to pretend it's not there, and continue to spout your closed-minded dogma.

Why does the idea of evolution bother you so much?

Because it's religion masqueraded as "science". Because it's been used to rationalize so much inhuman atrocities. Because it stifles true science. Because it leave impressionable kids with the idea that they are worthless piles of chemicals, of no more inherent value than so much dog poop, at an age when they struggle with their place in the world, causing even more intense depression and negativity than there would normally be. Once one assumes Evolution is true it inevitably leads to nihilism unless even more illogical leaps of fantasy are used to avoid the ultimate conclusion.

Why do you believe that man was created by dirt, yet can't accept real science?

Not by dirt, from dirt. Evolution isn't real science, it's religion.

What are you scared of Jack?

What are you afraid of? Why do you hide behind such an implausible myth, and feel the need to attack those who expose it for the fraud it is?

Hitler believed in a special creation for the Aryan race. He believe in God, and he believed he was carrying out God's plan.

He never mentioned evolution.

http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Hitler.cfm

Using an anti-Creationist web site is hardly a legitimate source. The article assumes that because Hitler used the tactic of religion the sway people in Mein Kampf, that that was his true beliefs. Yet it ignores the many proofs that Hitler's basic philosophy was based on and rationalized with Social Darwinism.

Still ignoring the quotes I provided above, which prove the Darwinism in the foundations of Nazism.

You're a little out there with your tinfoil hat conspiracies aren't ya?

Josh, you'll need to actually point out what you find wrong before anyone would take your commetns seriously. Oh, but that's right, Evolutionists don't need to be specific, their religion is to be accepted on blind faith without proof or details.

9/11 was caused by creationists with a hatred of evolution. Let's have your chain of logic, Danny...