The Church of England has broken with tradition dogma by calling for doctors to be allowed to let sick newborn babies die....
The shock new policy from the church has caused outrage among the disabled.
A spokeswoman for the UK Disabled People's Council, which represents tens of thousands of members in 140 different organisations, said: "How can the Church of England say that Christian compassion includes killing of disabled babies either through the withdrawing or withholding of treatment or by active euthanasia?
"It is not for doctors or indeed anyone else to determine whether a baby’s life is worthwhile simply on the grounds of impairment or health condition."
The so-called "Church" of England has been working feverishly to become everything a church shouldn't. From ignoring the biblical requirements for pastors and allowing women to serve, to endorsing homosexuality, they are abandoning the very scriptures they hypocritically claim to follow. The American Episcopalian church fall under the umbrella of what's referred to as the "Anglican Communion". Many such churches, especially in Africa, have voiced disagreement with the liberalism of the "Church" of England. It seems to me that there comes a point when the acceptance of such people under the guise of a communion, itself becomes sin by ignoring the biblical admonition to not associate with such people. Even Jimmy Carter's home church in Georgia started handing out name tags to members, so visitors would more easily know who belonged and who didn't. Being in the world doesn't mean we allow the world to pretend to be one of us. That's what's happening in the Anglican/Episcopal churches. They've allowed the wolves to creep in, and create chaos among the flock.
Posted by Danny Carlton at November 14, 2006 5:31 AM
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Why can't women serve?
What about Priscilla (Prisca)? Paul mentions her specifically and says she was an apostle.
And the fact that she is mentioned before her husband, Aquila, means that she was considered more important than he was.
So much for revisionism belonging to the left, eh?
Posted by: WOMEN ARE PEOPLE at November 15, 2006 12:02 AM
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop[*], he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Likewise must the deacons[**] be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. -- 1st Timothy 3:1-13[emphasis added]
*ejpivskopoß episkopos, ep-is'-kop-os; a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively):--bishop, overseer.
**diavkonoß diakonos, dee-ak'-on-os; an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor:--deacon, minister, servant.
Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers [***] in Christ Jesus: Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles. -- Romans 16:3,4
***sunergovß sunergos, soon-er-gos'; a co-laborer, i.e. coadjutor:--companion in labour, (fellow-)helper(-labourer, -worker), labourer together with, workfellow.
The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. -- 1st Corinthians 16:19
Posted by: Danny Carlton at November 15, 2006 5:51 AM
Bishops--they are talking about Bishops.
Anyway, the books that you cite were written after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.
Before that time, church services (i.e. masses) were held in private residences, known as house churches. An example you can look up is Dura-Europos in modern day Syria. This house church also served as a house synagogue, but in a different part of the structure.
It is no secret that in those times the home was the domain of the woman. Therefore, theologians and scholars alike believe that during those times women actually ran some of these churches and even said mass.
Timothy and Paul's letter to the Ephesians which speak of women being silent in church, modest, etc. have been dated as having been written later than Galatians (in which Paul says there is no longer man nor woman nor Greek nor Jew under Christ). Later--as in after Christianity was made the offical religion, and thus could be practiced in the open without fear of persecution by its followers.
It is also believed by scholars and theologians that these later books were not actually written by Paul himself. This is backed up by the fact that the historical tails given in them date to a time after Paul was already dead. Also, by the fact that it was not an uncommon practice during that time to honor a spiritual leader by writing a religious treatise in his name.
Also, perhaps you don't know that it was not until the Council of Nicaea that the Bible as we know it today was agreed upon. The various Christian churches scatted throughout the Mediterranean region had not yet agreed upon which books should be included in the New Testament. Some of the books taught as canon in these churches would not find their way into what we know now as the Bible, and some of the books that did almost did not. The Gospel of John, for example, was accused of being a gnostic gospel, because of the transcendental way Jesus is portrayed in it.
So, the Bible did not fall out of the sky exactly the way we have it today. The Bible we use is thanks to the Catholics, who do not believe it should be interpreted literally with individual verses taken out of context in order to uphold oppressive (and quite frankly unChristian) political systems (i.e. the subjugation of women, which you obviously preach).
You might know your Greek and your Bible versus by heart, but you have a lot to learn about Christian history and about who Jesus himself really was.
Posted by: Women are people at November 15, 2006 3:21 PM
In other words, you don't believe the Bible and are willing to swallow whatever bilge any Liberal pseudo-thologian tosses at you. Quit pretending to be a Christian.
Posted by: Danny Carlton at November 16, 2006 7:24 AM
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